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UN peacekeepers injured by Israel

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EasterIssland · 10/10/2024 13:04

After all the news this week regarding IDF threatening peacekeepers in Lebanon this is news now.

from bbc

Two UN peacekeepers injured after Israeli tank fires at watchtowerpublished at 12:50 British Summer Time
12:50 BSTBREAKING
Two UN peacekeepers have been injured after an Israeli tank fired towards a watchtower at a UN base in southern Lebanon, the UN says.
According to a statement by the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL), the observation tower at its headquarters in Naqoura was directly hit, causing the peacekeepers to fall.
"The injuries are fortunately, this time, not serious, but they remain in hospital," the UN says.
It adds that Israeli soldiers also fired at a UN base in Ras Naqoura, "hitting the entrance to the bunker where peacekeepers were sheltering, and damaging vehicles and a communications system".
There's more in their statement which we'll bring you shortly.
UNIFIL is a UN peacekeeping mission created in 1978. It monitors hostilities and helps to ensure humanitarian access to civilians.

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mouthpipette · 12/10/2024 20:22

@EasterIssland Nobody seeing what they are doing in Lebanon.

That as well, of course.

EasterIssland · 12/10/2024 20:20

mouthpipette · 12/10/2024 20:17

@Dulra
Is that all your assumptions or have you evidence for any of it? The only combatants to get close to the UNIFIL bases putting them at risk were the IDF. Not helpful to start making up scenarios.

They are assumptions, though I think they are credible. Why else would Israel want the posts vacated ?

Nobody seeing what they are doing in Lebanon.

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JaneJeffer · 12/10/2024 20:19

Bit late now @mouthpipette and I don't think they care about anyone except themselves

mouthpipette · 12/10/2024 20:19

JaneJeffer · 12/10/2024 20:16

The latter would not look particularly good in the eyes of the world.
None of their actions look good in the eyes of the world so why would they suddenly care about that?

Damage limitation.

mouthpipette · 12/10/2024 20:17

@Dulra
Is that all your assumptions or have you evidence for any of it? The only combatants to get close to the UNIFIL bases putting them at risk were the IDF. Not helpful to start making up scenarios.

They are assumptions, though I think they are credible. Why else would Israel want the posts vacated ?

ScrollingLeaves · 12/10/2024 20:16

mouthpipette · 12/10/2024 19:51

@PollyPaintsFlowers
My apologies, I misread and didn't think properly.
I thought you were claiming that Hezbollah fired into Israel 3 weeks before The Hamas attack of Oct 7th, which of course they didn't. Sorry.

This is what I read which is why I was asking for a link for further information.

@PollyPaintsFlowers · Today 19:19

* Hezbollah started attacking Israel with rockets three weeks before Israel started their offensive in Gaza, whatever they say about Gaza is just a front.*

Does anyone else know if this is true?

JaneJeffer · 12/10/2024 20:16

The latter would not look particularly good in the eyes of the world.
None of their actions look good in the eyes of the world so why would they suddenly care about that?

Dulra · 12/10/2024 20:12

mouthpipette · 12/10/2024 20:08

Neither, the UNIFIL sites were simply "in the way" of the IDF going into Lebanon.

Though the IDF may also have been worried that Hezbollah may want to take up defensive positions close to these sites, thus making it harder for the IDF to destroy them without also damaging UNIFIL posts. The latter would not look particularly good in the eyes of the world. So, better to get UNIFIL to move out and leave Israel with a "clear board".

Is that all your assumptions or have you evidence for any of it? The only combatants to get close to the UNIFIL bases putting them at risk were the IDF. Not helpful to start making up scenarios

Lettherebejustice · 12/10/2024 20:08

PollyPaintsFlowers · 12/10/2024 19:41

@mouthpipette source for what? You've said yourself that Hezbollah attacked Israel on October 8th. Israel bombed Gaza starting on October 13th and their ground offensive started on the 27th of October. Hezbollah attacked Israel before they'd done anything to Gaza

@PollyPaintsFlowers another one. Oct 8th as it says was one of the deadliest days for Gazans in 15 years. Yet you insist on lying that Israel did nothing for three weeks. You are either misinformed or deliberately spreading false information. Either way i would advise posters to take your posts with a pinch of salt.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-strip-suffers-deadliest-day-15-years-after-hamas-attack-2023-10-08/

mouthpipette · 12/10/2024 20:08

EasterIssland · 12/10/2024 19:51

were the peacekeepers that have been injured (& the topic of this thread despite all your efforts to derail it) to be hamas or hezbollah members?

Neither, the UNIFIL sites were simply "in the way" of the IDF going into Lebanon.

Though the IDF may also have been worried that Hezbollah may want to take up defensive positions close to these sites, thus making it harder for the IDF to destroy them without also damaging UNIFIL posts. The latter would not look particularly good in the eyes of the world. So, better to get UNIFIL to move out and leave Israel with a "clear board".

ScrollingLeaves · 12/10/2024 20:05

PollyPaintsFlowers · 12/10/2024 19:50

@ScrollingLeaves I found it easily enough when I googled news sites to get the exact dates, what can't you find?

Thanks, please would you link ?
I can only find that Hezbollah began firing rockets 8 Oct 2023.

Lettherebejustice · 12/10/2024 20:03

ARTICLE PUBLISHED ON OCT 8th 2023

Israel called up army reservists and launched a wave of airstrikes on the tiny strip, which is home to 2.3 million people. Netanyahu warned Palestinians in Gaza to “get out of there now” as he vowed to reduce Hamas hideouts to “rubble”, but there is nowhere for those in the blockaded territory to escape to.
Warplanes targeted several buildings in the centre of Gaza City, including Palestine Tower, an 11-storey building that houses Hamas radio stations.

Moment Israeli airstrike hits Gaza tower block after Hamas attack – video
Israel indicated it may launch a ground invasion and cut off electricity and fuel supplies to Gaza.
Death and destruction in Israel and Gaza following surprise Hamas attack – in pictures
Video recorded in Gaza showed a mosque destroyed in Khan Yunis, in the southern Gaza Strip, and several large buildings in Gaza City in ruins.
Palestinians in Gaza shared images of text messages sent by the Israeli military to people in the Beit Hanoun area in the north of the strip that ordered them to leave their homes before the airstrikes.

Death and destruction in Israel and Gaza following surprise Hamas attack – in pictures

Benjamin Netanyahu warns Israelis they are ‘embarking on a long and difficult war’, as hundreds of Israelis and Palestinians killed in violence following Saturday’s attack by Hamas

https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2023/oct/08/death-and-destruction-in-israel-and-gaza-following-surprise-hamas-attack-in-pictures

PollyPaintsFlowers · 12/10/2024 19:53

@mouthpipette it's fine. I misread stuff all the time 🫣

Lettherebejustice · 12/10/2024 19:53

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You lie and lie and lie! Why? Do you think we don't have Internet access? Israel started their airstrikes on the same Saturday in Gaza. And I can back that up with clear sources.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 12/10/2024 19:52

My efforts 😂

If you scroll back you'll see I said that was wrong

mouthpipette · 12/10/2024 19:51

PollyPaintsFlowers · 12/10/2024 19:41

@mouthpipette source for what? You've said yourself that Hezbollah attacked Israel on October 8th. Israel bombed Gaza starting on October 13th and their ground offensive started on the 27th of October. Hezbollah attacked Israel before they'd done anything to Gaza

@PollyPaintsFlowers
My apologies, I misread and didn't think properly.
I thought you were claiming that Hezbollah fired into Israel 3 weeks before The Hamas attack of Oct 7th, which of course they didn't. Sorry.

EasterIssland · 12/10/2024 19:51

PollyPaintsFlowers · 12/10/2024 19:48

We're the 12 Druze children playing on a football field get mistaken for a military base by Hezbollah? Or the two people killed walking their dogs last week?

were the peacekeepers that have been injured (& the topic of this thread despite all your efforts to derail it) to be hamas or hezbollah members?

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PollyPaintsFlowers · 12/10/2024 19:50

@ScrollingLeaves I found it easily enough when I googled news sites to get the exact dates, what can't you find?

PollyPaintsFlowers · 12/10/2024 19:48

*Were

(I really hate typing on my phone 😂)

PollyPaintsFlowers · 12/10/2024 19:48

We're the 12 Druze children playing on a football field get mistaken for a military base by Hezbollah? Or the two people killed walking their dogs last week?

ScrollingLeaves · 12/10/2024 19:47

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Hezbollah started attacking Israel with rockets three weeks before Israel started their offensive in Gaza
@PollyPaintsFlowers I was interested by you saying this because of not hearing about that before. I tried searching but cannot find anything to show this. Please would you post a link if possible?

I knew there had been attacks between Hezbollah and Israel before Oct 7, but you seem to be referring to something more specific shortly before Oct 7.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 12/10/2024 19:46

Mehdi Hassan?? I trust him as much as I trust Donald Trump. I've seen his allegations get torn apart on Twitter

mouthpipette · 12/10/2024 19:45

And after Oct 8, Hezbollah rockets and missiles didn't "rain down" or "pound" northern Israel. After Oct 8th there were very carefully measured exchanges between the IDF and Hezbollah, with neither side wanting to get embroiled in a full scale exchange. Israel had its hands full in Gaza and wasn't ready to open up another front, and Hezbollah didn't want to get embroiled in a full scale offensive. More than one journalist has described how it was all carefully calibrated and Tit for tat, but despite that it gradually escalated over time. Over the period until September this year, most of the firing has come from Israel. Mehdi Hasan claims that over 80% of the ordnance fired across the border, in the 11 months after October 8th, came from Israel.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 12/10/2024 19:41

@mouthpipette source for what? You've said yourself that Hezbollah attacked Israel on October 8th. Israel bombed Gaza starting on October 13th and their ground offensive started on the 27th of October. Hezbollah attacked Israel before they'd done anything to Gaza

mouthpipette · 12/10/2024 19:30

@PollyPaintsFlowers
Hezbollah started attacking Israel with rockets three weeks before Israel started their offensive in Gaza, whatever they say about Gaza is just a front.

Can you provide a source for this please. My understanding was that Oct 8th was when Hezbollah first attacked Israel and that was an Israeli military position at Shebaa farms,

PBS News,
"Hezbollah began firing rockets into northern Israel on Oct. 8, 2023, the day after Hamas’ surprise attack into Israel ignited the war in Gaza. "

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