What would Keir Starmer do if a group of Norwegians supported by the Norwegian government invaded tomorrow killing thousands?

Honestly. I think we’d impose sanctions, bomb a military target or two and leave it at that. I don’t think they’d be a ground war.

There certainly wouldn’t be a commitment to wipe out the entire Norwegian military! Nor would there be bombings of residential areas because senior military leaders and their families lived in them. Loads of small towns in Europe contain military bases, and I don’t think we’d flatten the Norwegian ones.

I don't think we would ever put up with our armed forces exterminating Norways health care system and purposefully bombing little kids to smithereens.
Perhaps there would be a small percentage of the population who would support it but the majority absolutely would not. We saw this when millions marched against out involvement in Iraq.

Its about proportionality.

1200 most civilians, subjected to rape executions torture and kidnap.

VS

Killing 42,000 people in horrific bombings and injuring upwards of 200,000 when the vast majority weren't even alive when Hamas were voted in, nor had any say on the 7/10 attack.... is in my opinion, not proportionate.

Surgeons who have worked there say the most horrific injuries are shrapnel in peoples eyes and faces, as on hearing a loud noise, the normal reaction is to widen your eyes and look around!
Then there is limbs blown off, families part or fully wiped out, people left alive to die trapped under tons of rubble.

All whilst at the same time, leaving 200 hostages to their fate.

Netanyahu is now inflicting murder and injury on the Lebanese, a sovereign country, whose population have absolutely nothing to do with the terrorists amongst them.

He is an evil man.

🙄 the IRA didn't send in their terrorists to mass rape, torture and kill people in villages or at festivals.

Other surrounding countries, Scotland France didn't join in and lob their missiles at us in support of them for a full year.

Seriously what a dopey post

I would wonder why a hospitable and peaceful people who have been oppressed for years, kept in a prison, tortured and killed for trying to reclaim the place where they have lived, would have become feral and had a group of leaders that could so easily persuade its youth to become so savage. It was possibly not Facebook but a feeling of desperation, oppression and injustice coupled with a lack of opportunity and employment and the feeling that they were trapped in a cage and they were persuaded that the only way to break the deadlock was an act of savagery. Obviously that and the fact that the UK sending the Navy to attack and arrest their fisherman who were just trying to have a properly manage fisheries policy in what they envisaged was their territorial waters.

My post was tongue in cheek,
I have lived in the ME so do get it.
It's a religious war - only solution imv is jaw, jaw not war, war.
Everyone wants the others to go away and that's not likely to happen.
N Ireland got sorted eventually so this will too I hope.

Yes, I remember the levelling of Northern Ireland in response to the IRA and us going after the USA for funding them.

Yes and no. Yes it's an ill fitting analogy, and yes it says much about the OP's and probably most of UK society's world view that the troubles in the ME are so difficult to grasp.

But no, it needs to be discussed, it needs to more widely understood. And, if you have an understanding that you can share maybe the onus is on you to be a little less denigrating and dismissive.

As are most Palestines.

Why would they kidnap and torture - most Norwegians I have met are polite and friendly.

This is ridiculous. Of course if it was my family I would do anything I possibly could to get them back. I would hope I wouldn't carpet bomb innocent children, but who knows - I wouldn't be thinking rationally. That said, if I did this in a personal capacity I'd be committing a crime and I would expect to be sent to prison.

Israel as a state is doing similar. Stopping States doing this is why we have international law on war crimes.

Ypu would go along with your family being g kidnapped and tortured, would you?

This wins the award for the most idiotic thing I have ever read on MN.

Worst analogy I have ever seen and shows a deep lack of understanding of the middle east. I think you need to go educate yourself.

We might just go along with it -most Brits aren’t religious and would not care much if Norway invaded, in fact it would be a good thing as we’d get some of their North Sea oil profits.

41,000 plus people have been killed and at this rate more will follow in Gaza and Lebanon and we have people writing such a scenario. What are you hoping to achieve ? I cannot see people supporting more killings. So just give it a break.

This is incorrect. Where does it say that they were Greek? The only mention of Greece is that one of the attackers had previously been to Athens... please be careful.

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34832512.amp

“Everything is legitimate” - This is the only what has been caught on camera. I don’t think anyone on any side is innocent but by escalating violence on one side, you create an atmosphere where you finally cannot find conciliation and peace.

https://news.sky.com/story/video-appears-to-show-idf-soldiers-sexually-abusing-palestinian-detainee-13193857

When the IRA planted bombs in England did the British army invade the Republic of Ireland or rain down bombs on cities like Belfast and Derry to kill the leaders ?
No.

When Loyalist terrorists - the UVF bombed Dublin and Monaghan in 1974 did the Irish army invade the 6 counties of Ulster and / or bomb certain areas to get at the Loyalist leaders ?
No.

Some of the terrorists who murdered 130 people (hundreds injured) in coordinated attacks in Paris, 9 years ago, were Belgian and Greek.
Four of them managed to get back to Belgium.
Did the French government decide to carpet bomb Belgium and Greece?
After all, we, as a nation, had/has the right to defend ourselves.
Funny they chose, instead, to use their intelligence service, in cooperation with others, to track them down.
Paris attacks of 2015 - Response, Global Condemnation, Solidarity | Britannica

Ignoring @GermanBite's (very good) sovereign nation point.

If we say the reaction of the US to 9/11 with the invasion of Afghanistan is similar:

1,195 people killed in the 7 October attacks
42k Palestinians killed in the last year as a result of the Israel-Hamas war. About 7% of the Gaza population (and yes not all were in Gaza, but it's a good enough percentage).

2,996 people killed in 9/11 attacks. 176,000 people killed in Afghanistan between 2001 and 2021 (20 years). Figures for the first year are hard to come by, but the highest number I've seen is 20k. 20k is 0.04% of the Afghani population. 176k is 0.4%.

Both sets of figures include both civilians and combatants. For both obviously each side will disagree on what percentage are civilians, and what percentage are combatants. Each side will also disagree on the numbers.

But the disproportionate response is very clear even if you come from the starting point that the US were right to go onto Afghanistan (which I don't).

What Hamas did on October 7 was terrible. I completely condemn it. Hamas have been commiting war crimes. But 'they started it's (even if that were true and it's obviously hotly debated) doesn't justify war crimes.

Yes the Israeli soldiers have been murdering and raping Palestinians for decades

For balance the Palestinians have also been violent towards the Israelis

For even more balance - the historic ratio is that the Israelis kill 10 for every one that the Palestinians killed

Now do you understand why it's not as simple as 7/10?

Reaping what they've sown? What did they people raped, murdered and kidnapped on October 7th sow exactly that they deserved that?

What would you do if the moon was made of cheese?

Don’t worry @Zimunya, I found it amusing too. As a PP said, the OP has obviously been imbibing something strong!

Pre 7th October 2023 I used to feel a bit sorry for the Israelis British (? I’ve lost the analogy) but since their massive disproportionate response, I’ve educated myself about the history and now have not a drop of sympathy left. The way they have treated the Palestinians Norwegians for decades, they’re reaping what they’ve sown.

I'm not laughing at kids being harmed - I have family in both Lebanon and Palestine, and know only too well the fear and trauma and despair they are living with. I was making a jest about the spelling error.