To say that to criticise the actions of the Israeli state…

@Tattletwat is it not islamophobic to suggest everyone in the Middle East is a terrorist and women hating?

The truth of it is is the Middle East has been destabilised by multiple foreign powers (US, UK, Russia etc.) for their own gains for many years. This is the result and something needs to be done. Again, I don’t know how that is achieved, but it is possible, other countries exist in some form of peace and peace, as well as good living conditions for those who are being displaced by the war and suffering, should be the common goal.

This is supported by the mulllahs in Iran of course it turns out like that

Do you think the terrorists will be happy to sit back and retire.

Tell me what it would be like then, these are terrorists sponsored by women hating thugs in Iran.

Where has anyone called for that?

I for one have said that if true peace is to be achieved, it will include the removal of Hamas and Hezbollah.

What ignorance! Give your head a wobble.

Maybe also think about which other group you’d use the horses not zebras analogy for, and if it’s only Jewish people

I appreciate your apology and recognition as you can see why it’s not right

All these protesters wanting a hamas state. I do wonder what they think that may look like, probably something akin to Afghanistan, it ain't going to be a liberal democracy it's going to be a woman hating hellhole.

You know what?
That is a really good point and I apologise.
I would object to a man explaining why something wasn't sexist so maybe its the same thing

This is the definition of antisemitism that was adopted by UK government in 2016
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/uk-governments-adoption-of-the-ihra-definition-of-antisemitism/

Yes but unfortunately you probably think that anyone who doesn't agree with you is anti Israel/antisemitic.

@EasternStandard but when someone can say I am a Nazi, or like hitler, for saying I disagree with the deaths of innocent people on all sides, where does the line get drawn? Or accusing me of supporting terror attacks because I say I don't agree with everything that the Israeli government has done?

How is that fair, or okay?

One of the things that makes me angry about this whole shit show is that it doesn't seem that the arsehole Netanyahu has prioritised getting the hostages back in any way shape or form. I see the pictures of these poor people and all Netanyahu cares about is using the awful events of Oct 7th as an excuse for war. His priority should be getting these people back not using it as an excuse to kill as many people as he can.

From The Times of Israel:

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly told Defense Minister Yoav Gallant on Thursday that he was prioritizing his stance of maintaining Israeli troops in the Philadelphi Corridor over saving the lives of the remaining hostages in Gaza.

It's so sad. One extremist facing up to another and no one giving a shit about the innocent people caught in the middle.

Equating what Jewish people suffered during the Holocaust to what Israel's current government is 'dishing out' to Hamas is most definitely, definitely anti semetic. You should be really ashamed.

Going back to this analogy. Why would you, as a non Jewish person, think you can say what is horses or zebras over a Jewish person?

If you're criticising black or Jewish people as a group of people identified only because they're black or Jewish then that is racist or anti-semitic.

Your denying the individuals who are in that group the opportunity to be individuals based on their actions and pumping them in with other people just because of their ancestry.

Well if they want to decide that saying the death of thousands of women and children is abhorent = anti semitic then theres not much I can do about that.
Anti semitism is definitely on the rise and should be challenged as should anti Islamism but my views are based on compassion for innocent civilians not hatred for any one group.

It really depends on whether you're holding Israel to a higher standard then you would apply to any other state. In that case it can be anti-semitic, or a cover for antisemitism.

A post of mine was deleted the other day, no doubt because it was reported for being anti-Semitic. Nothing could be further from the truth. I did ask a question about how Palestinians were perceived by some Israelis, and employed a common trope used in Nazi propaganda. This was intended to underline the irony that a state founded to protect people who had endured the most awful persecution, is now dishing it out to other innocents, not as an anti-Semitic dig. Speaking out against the excesses of the Israeli Government is not the same as being anti-Semitic, which I categorically am not.

I’m sure the pp can understand what they’re hearing and can decide.

I think so.
Racism and anti semitism are very real BUT not all criticism of black and/or Jewish people is down to their race or colour - although I agree that much of it is

BUT if we NEVER raise concerns about the actions of Israel even if its from a Human Rights perspective because we are frightened of accusations of anti semitism aren't we treating Israel differently than we would any other regime?
Israel being the Jewish homeland doesn't give it a free pass to do whatever it wants with no criticism.
I criticise Israel NOT Jewish people as I would criticise Afghanistan not Muslims and Putin not Russians

Yes, that is the overwhelming impression isn't it? Women and children are suffering needlessly.

This could all be solved by them sitting down and negotiating a robust peace deal, but it won't happen

No matter what your standpoint on the situation there is always one thing that sticks out.

It's men.

It's always men.

Criticism of Israel isn't inherently anti-semitic, but a lot of the criticism is anti semitic nonetheless.

I think we may criticise. But if that criticism holds Israelis to different standards that others, or is more critical of Israel than it is of other states commiting the same or worse crimes, then that post can be accused of anti semitism.

The amount of posts denying anti semitism while employing anti semetic tropes to attempt to make their point is frequently shocking to me.

If a Jewish person says that they feel your comment is anti sematic, I think we'd be better to interrogate ourselves as to why that would be. If a black person accused you of racism would you not honestly try to understand why they felt it was racist rather than immediately writing off their experience of what you said?

Ultimately, no one here can see into another's heart to see if they really hate Jews. But a lot of what is said certainly sounds anti semitic.

I think a lot of it is ignorance rather than hate, but the near constant shouting down of cries of anti semitism shows a lack of willingness to learn and listen.

@herecomesautumn no, and I have not done that in any of my posts.

I think Hamas, Hezbollah AND the Israeli government have all taken steps that are wrong. I fully condemn October 7. I condemn the recent terror attack in Tel Aviv and the countless other terror attacks in Israel. I condemn Iran bombing Israel.

But I also condemn Israel bombing Beirut, and the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians, mainly women and children, on all sides.

As I said in my other post, I think that there needs to be constructive peace talks. But I do not see how they could be realistically achieved at the moment. But it is clear that something needs to be done. This is an all out war.

Certain sections of the Black community Do use accusations of racism to silence criticism
However, having experienced racism for literally thousands of years its hardly surprising that they see it everywhere

Is that acceptable?