Offer made to Israel

Is that a serious question?

Israel was created as a homeland for the Jewish people after the horror of the Holocaust. Everyone knows this.

Please tell us exactly why you think Israel was created.

Given who their neighbours are, Israel is already a regional ‘pariah’ as you phrase it.

There are still a few people who remember why the state of Israel was created. And there are some who understand why it was created. They are usually well educated and intelligent enough to play a part in policy making if not politics.

So I don’t think Israel will become a world pariah just yet.

Sorry misread your statement, completely agree.

Jordan's FM Safadi was asked about the conflict, peace & Jordan's role on channel 4 news tonight & did not mention this 'offer'.

Which arab countries would actually want to engage in a war with Israel?

Agreed.

Israel clearly want Palestine completely gone. They are counting on the bigger powerful Arab countries having too much to lose to start a proper war in the region.

Israel will make itself a complete pariah in the area if not the world. A despotic state.

No but they will probably have degraded hamas and hezbollah’s ability to attack them in the near term by the time this is over. If they are really lucky Hezb will be on it’s arse in Lebanon and the majority of Lebanese who don’t like them can further reduce their power or make them defunct.

Where though? In Israel? Right now the proximate threats to Israel are coming from Gaza, the West Bank, Yemen, Lebanon, distal threat from Iran.

What are the chances of people in the areas that are the sources of threat to Israel accepting a unitary arab army in. Saudis and Emiratis have been fighting the Houthis for ages and haven’t got very far.

I just don’t see how they can do it tbh. It’s not that I’m down on a 2 sate solution, there has to be one for any chance of peace for anyone in that region. I just don’t think that any arab country is in a poison to promise that hezb, hamas or the houthis won’t succeed in attacking Israel or can protect it.

One of the basic tenets of security is protection of your citizens.

So that would include hostages who've been held for over a year now.

Are these states offering to return them? How? Are they offering to invade and rescue them by force?

Unless they're going to use military force I'm not sure why Israel would stop, since that is what they are doing right now and they still don't have the hostages back.

Are the 57 states offering to militarily force compliance?

Can you explain what you think the starting point is? Perhsps you can see something I can't but what is the mechanism being proposed by these 57 states to guarantee Israel's security? What actually is it that you think is on the table?

Well I think it's a good stating point and shouldn't be just dismissed. I don't see any other exit route on the table.
I don't really know what (realistically) Israel hopes to achieve on its current path? Is it hoping it can bomb its way to peace? Kill every single one of its enemies without creating a whole new generation of enemies?

57 different states with different agendas is never the place to start if you want to actually achieve something.

And wouldn't the 57 be the place to start?

There are two sides that each want all of the land from the Jordan to the Mediterranean. Both sides claim historical and religious rights to the land.

Neither will stop fighting until it has achieved that goal, but Israel is well on the way because it's the most powerful and has the most external support.

That's just the way it is and there's nothing that we can do about it.

The 57 states are obviously more trustworthy than the US, UK and Russia. Especially considering their wonderful record in cherishing and protecting the Jewish minorities that once lived within many of those states.

What Israel is doing in Gaza is horrific, but asking them to just stop shooting and start trusting their neighbours is clearly a non-starter. If they had ever tried that in the past, then it is pretty clear that Israel would no longer exist, and there would be few if any living Jews in any part of the land "from the river to the sea".

@Daftasabroom

The issue here is that these are all non-state actors who have pushed themselves into relevance through acts of terrorism
and violence. What the people of Palestine really need is representation from a legitimate government who can negotiate on their behalf. Unfortunately, what they have is quite a few terrorist groups openly committed to wiping out Israel who had blocked up the political situation so that they can force through their ideology.

What really gets me is that most of the people
involved in these groups are foreign fighters drafted by the appeal of holy war and violence. How do you negotiate with people like that?

What the Palestinian people need is clear representation on the world stage by a government not being paid off by Iran to increase tensions as part of a proxy war.

This isn't meant to be flippant in any way but:

If Israel hasn't done so already, they clearly intend on completely removing all individuals with any authority from Hezbollah and Hamas etc. In which case, even if Israel was minded to do so, who would Israel negotiate with? Would anyone from the remnants of those organizations actually have sufficient authority to negotiate on behalf of those organizations? If no organization is both willing and capable of negotiating and maintaining any kind of ceasefire where does this end? If indeed it can.

The UK needs to follow the example of France and stop all arms sales until the Israel Government reigns in. It has gone far beyond retaliation.

Absolutely. I cannot believe we are selling arms to a country that is openly and very deliberately bombing civilians.

They also seem to have not explained precisely what they are planning to do about Hamas and Hezbollah. I doubt they are going to allow other countries whos names aren’t Iran tell them what to do.

Yes unfortunately the cabinet is full of nutters.

The reality is the poponderance of non state actors across MENA makes this offer useless. Resolution 1701 means that Hezb is supposed to be behind the Litani river, yet neither the Lebanese government nor UNFIL has been able to enforce it.

I really want to see a two state solution but if I were Israeli I wouldn’t believe that any of these states could guarantee my safety. It’s a joke really.

It’s nonsense words tbh.