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Liv999 · 16/02/2025 20:52

Ilovemytulips · 16/02/2025 20:30

That is barbaric!!
Where is the condemnation for such atrocities? I am struggling to come to terms with how a democratic state can carry out such heinous crimes.

Me too, it's shocking

Scirocco · 16/02/2025 20:47

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un

Martymcfly24 · 16/02/2025 20:35

EasterIssland · 16/02/2025 17:43

https://www.972mag.com/gaza-human-shield-mosquito/

Israeli soldiers used an 80-year-old Gazan as a human shield. Then they killed him

I didn't think I was capable of being shocked anymore.

I am truly shocked at this.

Ilovemytulips · 16/02/2025 20:30

EasterIssland · 16/02/2025 17:43

https://www.972mag.com/gaza-human-shield-mosquito/

Israeli soldiers used an 80-year-old Gazan as a human shield. Then they killed him

That is barbaric!!
Where is the condemnation for such atrocities? I am struggling to come to terms with how a democratic state can carry out such heinous crimes.

EasterIssland · 16/02/2025 17:43

https://www.972mag.com/gaza-human-shield-mosquito/

Israeli soldiers used an 80-year-old Gazan as a human shield. Then they killed him

Martymcfly24 · 16/02/2025 12:03

Agree @Thisandthatandthensome both sides have not covered themselves with glory here. In such a fragile situation there is no need for such point scoring.

Innocent People are being used as pawns by Hamas and the Israeli government. (Nothing new there then)

SharonEllis · 16/02/2025 12:01

Troufanov was told on his release that his father had been murdered on 7 October, when he himself was taken hostage and shot in both legs. His family has requested that footage of him in captivity should not be played. Disgraceful that this post is still here.

SharonEllis · 16/02/2025 11:45

Everyst · 16/02/2025 11:30

Doesn’t make it wrong does it?

Promoting Hamas propaganda is not only wrong, but illegal.

Everyst · 16/02/2025 11:30

Doesn’t make it wrong does it?

quantumbutterfly · 16/02/2025 11:19

Instagram is an authoritative source now?

Everyst · 16/02/2025 11:05

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Thisandthatandthensome · 15/02/2025 23:04

Ilovemytulips · 15/02/2025 22:19

Most of the detainees released today were being held without charge from Gaza. That's sick that they made them wear that.

It's wrong as is the gift packs and parading and the forcing of hostages to read statements

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 15/02/2025 23:01

Ilovemytulips · 15/02/2025 22:19

Most of the detainees released today were being held without charge from Gaza. That's sick that they made them wear that.

Agreed. These people are innocent, they don't deserve to be treated in this way. Also, they shouldn't be using the Star of David, or any religious symbol, in this way. I have Jewish heritage and this is so offensive to me! How dare they use the Star of David to humiliate and threaten!

Ilovemytulips · 15/02/2025 22:19

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 15/02/2025 21:57

369 Palestinians scheduled for release were forced to wear tshirts emblazoned with the words “we won’t forget nor forgive”, and the Star of David.

x.com/NaksBilal/status/1890700303369937090

Most of the detainees released today were being held without charge from Gaza. That's sick that they made them wear that.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 15/02/2025 21:57

369 Palestinians scheduled for release were forced to wear tshirts emblazoned with the words “we won’t forget nor forgive”, and the Star of David.

x.com/NaksBilal/status/1890700303369937090

ScrollingLeaves · 15/02/2025 21:33

So the book was not even for sale but in the back of the shop for review.

It is interesting to have this account of the prison these innocent Palestinians were put in by Israel:

There was space in a notorious overcrowded prison in the Russian Compound district for just one more prisoner on Sunday night. So Ahmed was kept in a holding cell in the police station, while his uncle was locked up in the Russian Compound prison.

“It’s a place that’s simply unfit for a human to live in,” he said. There were ten detainees sharing his 25 sq metre cell, sleeping on mats on the concrete floor in near-freezing night temperatures.

“It’s all very crowded with no heating, no electricity, no lights, no electric light or sunlight and no clock,” he said. The inmates have no idea of time, he said, and were woken by guards every two hours or so and made to stand to be counted.

When he was moved around the jail, he said he was cuffed, blindfolded and dragged through the corridors.

“When they drag you they cut the corners, and I believe intentionally make you hit the side of the doors or the side of a corner,” he said. “There’s a huge risk of actually always bumping your head.”

ScrollingLeaves · 15/02/2025 21:20

Thank you. This analysis by Dahlia Scheindlin in Haaretz, February 13th discusses the arrest of the booksellers.

Here is an excerpt from the first part of this article, without links or images:
archive.ph/2025.02.13-203914/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-02-13/ty-article/.premium/for-israelis-from-the-river-to-the-sea-is-a-reality-for-palestinians-its-a-crime/00000194-ff23-d1d7-a9d5-ff677aae0000

Analysis
For Israelis, 'From the River to the Sea' Is a Reality. For Palestinians, It's a Crime
It is nonsensical, and hypocritical, to arrest or accuse Palestinians of promoting the ideology of 'From the river to the sea,' while in Israel, school maps don't show the Green Line and the government is advancing full annexation.

The great existential threat of Palestinians against Israel is back. A children's coloring book with the title "From the River to the Sea" leaves no doubt: Palestinians want all of the land, and they want to destroy Israel. The book is incontrovertible evidence that they incite their children to this aim of destruction and therefore they must never, ever have a state of their own.

So goes widespread sentiment in Israel, following the arrest of booksellers Mahmoud and Ahmed Muna of the Educational Bookshop in Jerusalem earlier this week.

The police first accused them of selling material involving incitement to terror. But having failed to produce evidence, they later reduced their claims to "public disturbance." But lack of evidence even for that led to the brothers' release after two nights in jail rather than the eight the police had requested. Disclosure: Mahmoud is a colleague and a friend – a thoughtful, sharp, warm, sensitive and welcoming bookstore owner. Images of him and Ahmed in handcuffs are shocking.

Apparently this needs to be said again: Israeli Jews are the last people on Earth who can complain about Palestinian longing for the land from the river to the sea. The State of Israel is the mother of "river to the sea" – using graphic rather than geographic language. It is nearly impossible to find a map in any public space in Israel today, from official maps to public art and iconography, showing the Green Line that would delineate a hypothetical Palestinian state. Maps in Israel show the whole land, undivided – in effect, erasing Palestinian political and national identity.

A private collection of snapshots I've taken around the country or captured from the internet tells a story as clearly as a coloring book: a Judaica shop down the block in Tel Aviv has a blue-glass standing object for your coffee table shaped like the map of Eretz Israel – no Green Line blemish. A charging stand for electric cars in Haifa displays a map of its stations spread generously throughout the Land of Israel – a single unit from the river to the sea (thanks to my partners in this project who snapped the shot).

Every day, the newspapers print weather maps of the whole land, absent any Palestine (Haaretz is a lone exception). In Hostage Square in central Tel Aviv, citizens have filled the place with art, including a triptych of visual images in which the middle pillar bears drawings of families hugging children in the shape of the whole territory of British Mandatory Palestine. The list and the photos go on.

As for inciting children about river to sea: This is the time to recall that Israeli public schools are practically barred from using maps showing the Green Line – no Palestine there either. Israel's river-to-sea is not just the lucky kid who gets the coloring book, but every kid in an Israeli school

It is nonsensical to arrest or even accuse Palestinians of using the term without mentioning that Israelis live out their own river to sea, every day. Outsiders: If you didn't realize that Israelis view the world through Mandate Palestine-shaped glasses – check your basic understanding of the society you claim to be fighting for. It's better than exposing yourself as a hypocrite or a liar.

But bumper stickers or paperweights aren't really the problem. The problem is that Israel implements its river-to-sea vision on the only map that matters: the ground itself. River-to-sea Israel is hard at work expanding settlements and the supporting infrastructure, transferring military powers over the West Bank to civilian arms of the Israeli state, thrusting the Israeli army into Palestinian cities like Tul Karm and Jenin after helping to collapse the rule of the Palestinian Authority. Support or oppose these policies – but tell the truth.

EasterIssland · 10/02/2025 15:13

They Took Every Book With a Palestinian Flag on It': Israeli Police Raids Iconic E. J'lem Bookshop, Arrest Owners
Police told the owners of the stores, specializing in Arabic and English books on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the history of Jerusalem, that they were suspected of disturbing public order. Their lawyer says police likely pivoted once they realized they would not get approval for incitement charges

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-02-10/ty-article/.premium/israel-police-raid-prominent-east-jerusalem-bookshops-arrest-owners-confiscate-books/00000194-eee4-dc0f-a7de-fef4f44c0000

'They took books with a Palestinian flag': Israeli Police raids iconic E. J'lem bookshop

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-02-10/ty-article/.premium/israel-police-raid-prominent-east-jerusalem-bookshops-arrest-owners-confiscate-books/00000194-eee4-dc0f-a7de-fef4f44c0000

Liv999 · 09/02/2025 22:33

So sad 😢

ScrollingLeaves · 09/02/2025 22:25

This also mentions the IDF shooting the pregnant woman:
From Hasretz (Israeli newspaper)
The IDF said it is expanding its offensive in the northern West Bank to include the Nur al-Shams refugee camp near Tulkarm, and had begun operating in the area overnight into Sunday. The Palestinian Health Ministry saidthat two people, including Sundus Shalabi, a 23-year-old woman who was eight months pregnant, were killed by Israeli gunfire in the camp. Shalabi's husband was critically wounded, the ministry added.

The West Bank seems to be under considerable attack.

Palestinian Health Ministry: Two killed, including pregnant woman, by IDF fire in W. Bank

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https://haaretz.us18.list-manage.com/track/click?u=d3bceadb340d6af4daf1de00d&id=59bb4ea378&e=4dc3839227

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 09/02/2025 05:48

Documentary: How Israel tests military tech on Palestinians-The Palestine Laboratory

Part 1

Part 2

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