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BaMamma · 20/02/2025 22:44

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 20/02/2025 21:48

The IDF dropped these leaflets on Gaza.

https://x.com/fr0m_th3_ashes/status/1892577421116805412

Is there verification that this is real?

BelleHathor · 20/02/2025 22:09

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 20/02/2025 21:48

The IDF dropped these leaflets on Gaza.

https://x.com/fr0m_th3_ashes/status/1892577421116805412

The sheer evil of the minds of the people who came up with that and using what appears to be religious scripture to threaten Gaza, it’s fundamentalism.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 20/02/2025 21:48

The IDF dropped these leaflets on Gaza.

https://x.com/fr0m_th3_ashes/status/1892577421116805412

Thisandthatandthensome · 19/02/2025 22:59

ScrollingLeaves · 19/02/2025 20:16

Israel has gone some way towards doing the right thing by charging five Israeli Army Reservists for abusing a Palestinian detainee at Sde Temain prison.

This is The Haaretz headline:
Five Israeli Army Reservists Charged With Abusing Gazan Detainee at Sde Teiman

The detainee reportedly suffered rib fractures, a punctured lung, and a rectal injury after being stabbed in the buttocks. The court has prohibited publication of the defendants' names.

”Stabbing in the buttocks” leading to rectal bleeding seems to me to be an extreme form of abuse and seems to me to be rape, but apparently the initial allegations of sexual assault were dismissed.

Haaretz also writes,
This is the second case of alleged abuse of Gazan detainees to result in an indictment since the war began. Two weeks ago, an IDF military court convicted a reservist of abusing detainees during their transfer to Sde Teiman, sentencing him to seven months in prison under a plea deal.

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2025.02.19-140335/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-02-19/ty-article/.premium/five-israeli-army-reservists-charged-with-abusing-gazan-detainee-at-sde-teiman/00000195-1dd6-df7d-a5dd-bdd7e5d10000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2025.02.19-140335/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-02-19/ty-article/.premium/five-israeli-army-reservists-charged-with-abusing-gazan-detainee-at-sde-teiman/00000195-1dd6-df7d-a5dd-bdd7e5d10000

From The Times of Israel:
Indictment says soldiers broke prisoner's ribs, caused internal tear in his rectum during assault at detention facility in July
www.timesofisrael.com/5-idf-reservists-indicted-for-severe-abuse-of-palestinian-detainee-at-sde-teiman/

Indeed
Investigation and then charge for any crime found, as expected. Due process and now a trial.

OpheliaWasntMad · 19/02/2025 22:58

ScrollingLeaves · 19/02/2025 22:19

So, the public knows what's happening and the reservists are held accountable for their actions, that's a good thing.

These two recent cases are the only ones in a sea of abuses but it is a start.

It also seems the rape with an implement was transformed and sanitised.

The reporting is pretty clear I think . I don’t think it was sanitised or transformed. it was just factual which is to be expected in a news report. I think we could all understand very well what happened. Its good to know IDF soldiers will held accountable for atrocities.

ScrollingLeaves · 19/02/2025 22:19

So, the public knows what's happening and the reservists are held accountable for their actions, that's a good thing.

These two recent cases are the only ones in a sea of abuses but it is a start.

It also seems the rape with an implement was transformed and sanitised.

BaMamma · 19/02/2025 22:14

Everyst · 19/02/2025 21:52

The hats only because there was so much evidence and public outcry

So, the public knows what's happening and the reservists are held accountable for their actions, that's a good thing.

Meanwhile, were the savages who raped, murdered, and kidnapped innocents on October 7th held accountable by Hamas? Of course not, it was a Hamas operation, they were following orders to commit those atrocities.

Everyst · 19/02/2025 21:52

ScrollingLeaves · 19/02/2025 20:16

Israel has gone some way towards doing the right thing by charging five Israeli Army Reservists for abusing a Palestinian detainee at Sde Temain prison.

This is The Haaretz headline:
Five Israeli Army Reservists Charged With Abusing Gazan Detainee at Sde Teiman

The detainee reportedly suffered rib fractures, a punctured lung, and a rectal injury after being stabbed in the buttocks. The court has prohibited publication of the defendants' names.

”Stabbing in the buttocks” leading to rectal bleeding seems to me to be an extreme form of abuse and seems to me to be rape, but apparently the initial allegations of sexual assault were dismissed.

Haaretz also writes,
This is the second case of alleged abuse of Gazan detainees to result in an indictment since the war began. Two weeks ago, an IDF military court convicted a reservist of abusing detainees during their transfer to Sde Teiman, sentencing him to seven months in prison under a plea deal.

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2025.02.19-140335/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-02-19/ty-article/.premium/five-israeli-army-reservists-charged-with-abusing-gazan-detainee-at-sde-teiman/00000195-1dd6-df7d-a5dd-bdd7e5d10000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2025.02.19-140335/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-02-19/ty-article/.premium/five-israeli-army-reservists-charged-with-abusing-gazan-detainee-at-sde-teiman/00000195-1dd6-df7d-a5dd-bdd7e5d10000

From The Times of Israel:
Indictment says soldiers broke prisoner's ribs, caused internal tear in his rectum during assault at detention facility in July
www.timesofisrael.com/5-idf-reservists-indicted-for-severe-abuse-of-palestinian-detainee-at-sde-teiman/

The hats only because there was so much evidence and public outcry

EchoOf · 19/02/2025 21:17

Everyst · 17/02/2025 09:58

Wow, this is the behaviour that is encouraged by the IDF that’s why he feels so normal explaining it.

“While Brafman was in the interview room with detectives, the report said, he spontaneously told them that he was driving his truck, saw two Palestinians and shot and killed both”

I don't understand. What has the IDF got to do with a shooting in America?

ScrollingLeaves · 19/02/2025 20:16

Israel has gone some way towards doing the right thing by charging five Israeli Army Reservists for abusing a Palestinian detainee at Sde Temain prison.

This is The Haaretz headline:
Five Israeli Army Reservists Charged With Abusing Gazan Detainee at Sde Teiman

The detainee reportedly suffered rib fractures, a punctured lung, and a rectal injury after being stabbed in the buttocks. The court has prohibited publication of the defendants' names.

”Stabbing in the buttocks” leading to rectal bleeding seems to me to be an extreme form of abuse and seems to me to be rape, but apparently the initial allegations of sexual assault were dismissed.

Haaretz also writes,
This is the second case of alleged abuse of Gazan detainees to result in an indictment since the war began. Two weeks ago, an IDF military court convicted a reservist of abusing detainees during their transfer to Sde Teiman, sentencing him to seven months in prison under a plea deal.

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2025.02.19-140335/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-02-19/ty-article/.premium/five-israeli-army-reservists-charged-with-abusing-gazan-detainee-at-sde-teiman/00000195-1dd6-df7d-a5dd-bdd7e5d10000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2025.02.19-140335/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-02-19/ty-article/.premium/five-israeli-army-reservists-charged-with-abusing-gazan-detainee-at-sde-teiman/00000195-1dd6-df7d-a5dd-bdd7e5d10000

From The Times of Israel:
Indictment says soldiers broke prisoner's ribs, caused internal tear in his rectum during assault at detention facility in July
www.timesofisrael.com/5-idf-reservists-indicted-for-severe-abuse-of-palestinian-detainee-at-sde-teiman/

EasterIssland · 19/02/2025 18:17

2 IDF soldiers vacationing in Amsterdam rushed back to Israel amid arrest concerns

https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-idf-soldiers-vacationing-in-amsterdam-rushed-back-to-israel-amid-arrest-concerns/

BidoofBlue · 17/02/2025 17:15

Everyst · 17/02/2025 09:58

Wow, this is the behaviour that is encouraged by the IDF that’s why he feels so normal explaining it.

“While Brafman was in the interview room with detectives, the report said, he spontaneously told them that he was driving his truck, saw two Palestinians and shot and killed both”

Except the shooter might not even be Israeli so you can't necessarily blame the IDF.

BidoofBlue · 17/02/2025 17:11

BelleHathor · 17/02/2025 14:52

That's a cut and paste of the tweet that highlighted the incident from Ireallyhateyou, so victims is in quotes as he decided to tweet it like that.

I'm guessing he thinks Israelis can't be victims. Real charmer.

BelleHathor · 17/02/2025 14:52

That's a cut and paste of the tweet that highlighted the incident from Ireallyhateyou, so victims is in quotes as he decided to tweet it like that.

BidoofBlue · 17/02/2025 14:24

BelleHathor · 16/02/2025 22:00

This story highlights the sort of effects that will be prevalent:
Two Israelis were shot in Miami, by a third Israeli who said, after getting arrested, that "he saw two Palestinians and shot and killed both.”

Now the Israeli "victims" are saying it was an antisemitic attempted murder and add "Deth to Arabs .

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/man-faces-attempted-murder-charges-after-shooting-2-in-miami-beach-police/3545363/

Twitter Thread:
https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1891237871715070274

Why is victims in quotation marks?

BelleHathor · 17/02/2025 10:53

Everyst · 17/02/2025 09:58

Wow, this is the behaviour that is encouraged by the IDF that’s why he feels so normal explaining it.

“While Brafman was in the interview room with detectives, the report said, he spontaneously told them that he was driving his truck, saw two Palestinians and shot and killed both”

It's revealing that he shot them 17 times, so no "accident"!

Scirocco · 17/02/2025 09:59

ScrollingLeaves · 16/02/2025 21:30

I am so shocked. The IDF’s behaviour in this is especially appalling and immoral.

It is interesting to see how, after that old man with a stick had finished 8 days not only of being used as a shield to enter bombed buildings, but having to do so with an explosive cord around his neck,

on being released, another battalion took aim at him and his wife and shot them.

Some of the soldiers have evidently sunk very low.

Haaretz 15 February writes that even an incoming IDF general has noticed the depths they have been sinking to. Excerpt from Haaretz
( without links):

Maj. Gen. (res.) Yair Golan,
who heads the Democrats, the left-leaning political party he formed, was for a short time Zamir's commander. He told me that another task awaits the new chief of staff: to ensure that the IDF behaves in the territories "like the Israel Defense Forces, and not God's Revenge Forces."

He mentions a flagrant failure at the top throughout the war: the inability to ensure that soldiers don't stray from the IDF's declared norms.

and,

Col. (res.) Hanoch Daube, who headed an armored battalion in the war, described the situation well this week in Amir Oren's podcast. "There has been a severe moral erosion to the IDF's 'purity of arms,'"Daube said.

Harsh things are happening. If Zamir hears this podcast, this is the most significant crisis we have to address: to condemn, to investigate and to punish with great severity. There have been many cases of people [Palestinians] who crossed a red line marked by our forces, entered a kill zone and took a bullet to the head without the forces carrying out the procedures for arresting a suspect.

"If a child or an old man enters a forbidden area and isn't directly endangering you, morally, you're not allowed to shoot them. In this respect the IDF needs a very large correction, and this goes for everything we've done: demolishing, killing, using firepower."

Personally I think Israel has been very badly let down by a proportion of its own. Propping up Netanyahu has been contaminating.

The fact though that this general can point out that they’ve strayed so far from what is right is commendable imo.

(edited for typos)

Edited

Sadly, this is not new. Orders like this have been given and followed for years.

Everyst · 17/02/2025 09:58

BelleHathor · 16/02/2025 22:00

This story highlights the sort of effects that will be prevalent:
Two Israelis were shot in Miami, by a third Israeli who said, after getting arrested, that "he saw two Palestinians and shot and killed both.”

Now the Israeli "victims" are saying it was an antisemitic attempted murder and add "Deth to Arabs .

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/man-faces-attempted-murder-charges-after-shooting-2-in-miami-beach-police/3545363/

Twitter Thread:
https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1891237871715070274

Wow, this is the behaviour that is encouraged by the IDF that’s why he feels so normal explaining it.

“While Brafman was in the interview room with detectives, the report said, he spontaneously told them that he was driving his truck, saw two Palestinians and shot and killed both”

Everyst · 17/02/2025 09:56

EasterIssland · 16/02/2025 17:43

https://www.972mag.com/gaza-human-shield-mosquito/

Israeli soldiers used an 80-year-old Gazan as a human shield. Then they killed him

I’m not shocked this is standard behaviour of the soldiers in the IDF. What’s the excuse that regular names on here are working on?

ScrollingLeaves · 17/02/2025 00:11

BelleHathor · 16/02/2025 22:00

This story highlights the sort of effects that will be prevalent:
Two Israelis were shot in Miami, by a third Israeli who said, after getting arrested, that "he saw two Palestinians and shot and killed both.”

Now the Israeli "victims" are saying it was an antisemitic attempted murder and add "Deth to Arabs .

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/man-faces-attempted-murder-charges-after-shooting-2-in-miami-beach-police/3545363/

Twitter Thread:
https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1891237871715070274

You are most likely right unfortunately.

That is such a bizarre story.
It is lucky the Israeli father and son were just slightly wounded.

BelleHathor · 16/02/2025 22:00

This story highlights the sort of effects that will be prevalent:
Two Israelis were shot in Miami, by a third Israeli who said, after getting arrested, that "he saw two Palestinians and shot and killed both.”

Now the Israeli "victims" are saying it was an antisemitic attempted murder and add "Deth to Arabs .

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/man-faces-attempted-murder-charges-after-shooting-2-in-miami-beach-police/3545363/

Twitter Thread:
https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1891237871715070274

BelleHathor · 16/02/2025 21:56

Rest in peace to the couple ❤️. The descent into lawlessness guided by revenge is going to have severe consequences on society in the future.

ScrollingLeaves · 16/02/2025 21:30

EasterIssland · 16/02/2025 17:43

https://www.972mag.com/gaza-human-shield-mosquito/

Israeli soldiers used an 80-year-old Gazan as a human shield. Then they killed him

I am so shocked. The IDF’s behaviour in this is especially appalling and immoral.

It is interesting to see how, after that old man with a stick had finished 8 days not only of being used as a shield to enter bombed buildings, but having to do so with an explosive cord around his neck,

on being released, another battalion took aim at him and his wife and shot them.

Some of the soldiers have evidently sunk very low.

Haaretz 15 February writes that even an incoming IDF general has noticed the depths they have been sinking to. Excerpt from Haaretz
( without links):

Maj. Gen. (res.) Yair Golan,
who heads the Democrats, the left-leaning political party he formed, was for a short time Zamir's commander. He told me that another task awaits the new chief of staff: to ensure that the IDF behaves in the territories "like the Israel Defense Forces, and not God's Revenge Forces."

He mentions a flagrant failure at the top throughout the war: the inability to ensure that soldiers don't stray from the IDF's declared norms.

and,

Col. (res.) Hanoch Daube, who headed an armored battalion in the war, described the situation well this week in Amir Oren's podcast. "There has been a severe moral erosion to the IDF's 'purity of arms,'"Daube said.

Harsh things are happening. If Zamir hears this podcast, this is the most significant crisis we have to address: to condemn, to investigate and to punish with great severity. There have been many cases of people [Palestinians] who crossed a red line marked by our forces, entered a kill zone and took a bullet to the head without the forces carrying out the procedures for arresting a suspect.

"If a child or an old man enters a forbidden area and isn't directly endangering you, morally, you're not allowed to shoot them. In this respect the IDF needs a very large correction, and this goes for everything we've done: demolishing, killing, using firepower."

Personally I think Israel has been very badly let down by a proportion of its own. Propping up Netanyahu has been contaminating.

The fact though that this general can point out that they’ve strayed so far from what is right is commendable imo.

(edited for typos)

Ilovemytulips · 16/02/2025 21:21

BaMamma · 16/02/2025 21:09

Eighteen of those released Saturday had been sentenced to life and 54 were serving long sentences for their involvement in deadly attacks against Israelis.

So, not all innocent or held without charge.

Who are the Palestinian prisoners released in exchange for Israeli hostages? | AP News

I didn't say all. I said most. And most have not been charged with anything but still treated in a despicable manner.

BaMamma · 16/02/2025 21:09

Ilovemytulips · 15/02/2025 22:19

Most of the detainees released today were being held without charge from Gaza. That's sick that they made them wear that.

Eighteen of those released Saturday had been sentenced to life and 54 were serving long sentences for their involvement in deadly attacks against Israelis.

So, not all innocent or held without charge.

Who are the Palestinian prisoners released in exchange for Israeli hostages? | AP News