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ScrollingLeaves · 12/10/2024 14:57

itwasnevermine · 12/10/2024 14:37

It's just abhorrent. I don’t know how they get away with it

re the BBC article with Jeremy Bowen,
Surrender or Starve
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1e82yy0wxno

Yes, when this hypothetical article in +972 magazine came out September 17th, I thought it was too far fetched but it turns out not.
A plan to liquidate northern Gaza is gaining steam
As Israeli ministers, generals, and academics bay for a decisive new phase in the war, this is what Operation Starvation and Extermination would look like.
https://www.972mag.com/northern-gaza-liquidation-scenario-eiland-rabi/

………

This is from Middle Eastern Eye yesterday about the same plan. Posters may not trust this source but the BBC article is talking about
the same plan.

Israel plan to expel Palestinians from north Gaza 'could last several months'
According to Israeli media report, the military is implementing a 'scaled-down' version of a plan that would effectively ethnically cleanse the area
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-plan-empty-northern-gaza-palestine-several-months

………….

Jewish Voice for Labour
This is the same retired general nearly a year ago:
Influential Israeli national security leader makes the case for genocide in Gaza
Wed 22 Nov 2023
www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/influential-israeli-national-security-leader-makes-the-case-for-genocide-in-gaza/

A plan to liquidate northern Gaza is gaining steam

As Israeli ministers, generals, and academics bay for a new phase in the war, this is how Operation Starvation and Extermination would look.

https://www.972mag.com/northern-gaza-liquidation-scenario-eiland-rabi

itwasnevermine · 12/10/2024 14:37

EasterIssland · 12/10/2024 14:08

It's just abhorrent. I don’t know how they get away with it

ScrollingLeaves · 12/10/2024 14:24

Flatiron · 12/10/2024 10:20

I’m afraid Israelis are brainwashed very early on, within their education system, to think that ‘Arabs’ are ‘less than…’

I wish I could remember a post, a long time ago now, with links to a Palestinian education expert who was writing about what happens, though it may have been what happens in Palestinian text books (?) due Israeli control too.

There was also a video clip from a religious school showing children saying Arabs would be their slaves. (This must not be typical of every school though).

Flatiron · 12/10/2024 10:20

I’m afraid Israelis are brainwashed very early on, within their education system, to think that ‘Arabs’ are ‘less than…’

Lettherebejustice · 12/10/2024 10:18

The cognitive dissonance is scary. It is what enables them to act with such brutality.

Dulra · 12/10/2024 10:06

Lettherebejustice · 12/10/2024 10:03

Yesterday, a baby girl was injured by an Israeli strike just hours after being born. They treat the Palestinians as less than human and attempt to silence with whataboutery when people speak up.

And whilst all this is going on, we have the IDF shooting dance videos and uploading them from a school that was housing displaced civilians in Gaza. It makes me feel nauseous.

www.instagram.com/reel/DA_zXnuMjwX/?igsh=cTBjcHpmZXliZzNz

That is heartbreaking born straight into an active conflict zone what future can they possibly have

Conduct of some of the soldiers is just sick and unnecessary just rubbing salt in very deep wounds.

Lettherebejustice · 12/10/2024 10:03

Yesterday, a baby girl was injured by an Israeli strike just hours after being born. They treat the Palestinians as less than human and attempt to silence with whataboutery when people speak up.

And whilst all this is going on, we have the IDF shooting dance videos and uploading them from a school that was housing displaced civilians in Gaza. It makes me feel nauseous.

www.instagram.com/reel/DA_zXnuMjwX/?igsh=cTBjcHpmZXliZzNz

itwasnevermine · 12/10/2024 09:48

Flatiron · 12/10/2024 09:47

I think a lot of people are appalled, but feel helpless in the the face of international apathy. I’m sure people would love to be able to direct their anger at the situation towards something constructive, but there are no charity collections and streams of aid, like there often are for other man made or natural disasters. Because the Israelis have made Gaza is a no-go area. No journalists allowed. I wonder why?

The Israeli government have a way of shutting down every question. Lorry loads of aid stopped from entering Gaza? That’s because Hamas loot it. Dozens of civilians killed in an air strike to get one man? That’s because Hamas ‘use civilians as a human shield’. The same justifications for brutality over and over, this from a country with very sophisticated and well funded military and intelligence, more than capable of carrying out precision operations. The long game is, Israel wants the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank. They’ve always been treated as unwelcome lodgers, and Israel has now seized its chance to oust them.

They absolutely play on the international hatred of Muslims too. While they're targeting largely Islamic countries they have the free range to do whatever they want

GoForARun · 12/10/2024 09:48

How on earth can this all be brought to a state of peace and tolerance.

I understand that at the end of the war the Jewish people had had the most horrific experience - literal Nazi death camps/ millions murdered - and were given this small piece of land (by the UK, amongst others) as a safe space for themselves.
Understandably, they want to make sure that Jews will never be that vulnerable ever again. So they have a robust national service programme and invest in plenty of state of the art weapons.
But they are surrounded by neighbours - some of who are descendants of the Arabs who were displaced to accommodate the new Israel - who hate them and want to take that land back, decades later.

Ultimately conflicts have to get sorted politically/ diplomatically. Eg I suspect that the Russia/ Ukraine was will finish up with a compromise of Russia holding onto the areas it had previously occupied. But where is the compromise in the Israel/ Arab situation?

Flatiron · 12/10/2024 09:47

I think a lot of people are appalled, but feel helpless in the the face of international apathy. I’m sure people would love to be able to direct their anger at the situation towards something constructive, but there are no charity collections and streams of aid, like there often are for other man made or natural disasters. Because the Israelis have made Gaza is a no-go area. No journalists allowed. I wonder why?

The Israeli government have a way of shutting down every question. Lorry loads of aid stopped from entering Gaza? That’s because Hamas loot it. Dozens of civilians killed in an air strike to get one man? That’s because Hamas ‘use civilians as a human shield’. The same justifications for brutality over and over, this from a country with very sophisticated and well funded military and intelligence, more than capable of carrying out precision operations. The long game is, Israel wants the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank. They’ve always been treated as unwelcome lodgers, and Israel has now seized its chance to oust them.

Lettherebejustice · 12/10/2024 09:44

I really do fear the North is being cleansed as Israel plans occupy it.

itwasnevermine · 12/10/2024 09:39

@Dulra I think it's straight Islamophobia. If it was white peoples being killed there would be a lot more being done and said.

Dulra · 12/10/2024 09:33

itwasnevermine · 12/10/2024 09:14

The BBC are reporting 49 dead in the last 24 hours 💔

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn0ew4egegpt

What I can't understand is that people seem to just be blind to it. They think this is totally normal

I think as numbers mount up people do get desensitised to it and don't link the numbers to people, if they ever did. If Lebanon conflict hadn't escalated I think Gaza would have slipped further and further out of the news by now.

Lettherebejustice · 12/10/2024 09:33

The killing and bombardment in the north has been relentless. The US have expressed alarm at what Israel are doing, but that is the extent of their action or you could say inaction. This has slipped under the radar mostly whilst the focus is currently on what is happening in Lebanon.

itwasnevermine · 12/10/2024 09:14

The BBC are reporting 49 dead in the last 24 hours 💔

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn0ew4egegpt

What I can't understand is that people seem to just be blind to it. They think this is totally normal

Dulra · 12/10/2024 08:36

And the killing goes on

RTE news : Israeli strikes on Gaza's Jabalia kill 30 - officials

www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2024/1012/1475048-middle-east/

Flatiron · 12/10/2024 08:31

So, can anyone doubt the true intentions of the Israeli campaign in Gaza? They’re now clearing Northern Gaza, telling everyone to go south or they’ll be fair game (not that they aren’t already). This is a land grab writ large. Palestinians will not ever be able to return to what is a virtual wasteland. What a disaster… The Israeli government can seemingly do what they like. Why do they have a free pass to kill and maim civilians and destroy the country? The world seems afraid to do anything meaningful to stop the carnage.

ScrollingLeaves · 11/10/2024 12:44

10 Oct, yesterday. This is Matt Frei Channel 4 News
speaking on the telephone to a man from a family who is trapped with wounded family inside their bombed house, unable to get out as the IDF are shooting outside at shot at him when he’d tried to take wounded out the door.

www.channel4.com/news/i-dont-know-why-they-bombed-us-says-palestinian-trapped-in-jabalia-refugee-camp

OhMaria2 · 10/10/2024 23:06

Lettherebejustice · 10/10/2024 16:30

Another school that are housing the displaced, bombed today in a safezone. Absolutely unbelievable that this is still happening.
For those who are still in denial about Israeli war crimes should really watch this

Trigger warning

www.instagram.com/reel/DA8q3lbqqkv/?igsh=djQwMmo2eThkbmhh

I'll be sharing that one. Im continuously disgusted. Grim thanks.

ScrollingLeaves · 10/10/2024 22:44

Dulra · 10/10/2024 21:01

I have only just seen this article from yesterday. I have to admit I'm pretty shocked with Netanyahu's words which amount to a very serious threat but also his admission of the destruction they have caused in Gaza and that (my interpretation) it's due to Palestinians not ridding themselves of Hamas, that doesn't sound like defence but revenge.

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu appealed directly to the people of Lebanon in a video published on Tuesday, telling them to turn against the Iran-backed Shia group Hezbollah or risk destruction on the scale of Gaza.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgk707kv3dvo

It sounds so hopeless and as though the powerless people are living in a vacuum that Hezbollah is filling. There would have to be a civil war against Hezbollah and it would be lost from the sounds of it. The people cannot drive out Hezbollah. Does that mean they will go the way of Gaza?

Dulra · 10/10/2024 21:01

I have only just seen this article from yesterday. I have to admit I'm pretty shocked with Netanyahu's words which amount to a very serious threat but also his admission of the destruction they have caused in Gaza and that (my interpretation) it's due to Palestinians not ridding themselves of Hamas, that doesn't sound like defence but revenge.

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu appealed directly to the people of Lebanon in a video published on Tuesday, telling them to turn against the Iran-backed Shia group Hezbollah or risk destruction on the scale of Gaza.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgk707kv3dvo

Beirut

Netanyahu's appeal to the Lebanese people falls on deaf ears in Beirut

Beirut residents tell the BBC what they made of the Israeli PM's appeal to take back their country from Hezbollah.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgk707kv3dvo

ScrollingLeaves · 10/10/2024 19:19

Lettherebejustice · 10/10/2024 16:30

Another school that are housing the displaced, bombed today in a safezone. Absolutely unbelievable that this is still happening.
For those who are still in denial about Israeli war crimes should really watch this

Trigger warning

www.instagram.com/reel/DA8q3lbqqkv/?igsh=djQwMmo2eThkbmhh

Haaretz

GAZA: The IDF said it struck a former school in Deir al-Balah that was sheltering displaced people because Hamas militants were operating inside, adding that "prior to the strike, numerous steps were taken to mitigate the risk of harming civilians, including the use of precise munitions, aerial surveillance, and additional intelligence." The Palestinian Red Crescent said 28 people were killed in the attack and 54 were wounded.

……..

This killing and this same excuse will go on ad infinitum for years. They think a few militants are inside so bomb anyone there and within the vicinity.

The militants must know that schools are not actually safe, so they may not be there but in tunnels anyway.

anotherlevel · 10/10/2024 16:48

Lettherebejustice · 10/10/2024 16:30

Another school that are housing the displaced, bombed today in a safezone. Absolutely unbelievable that this is still happening.
For those who are still in denial about Israeli war crimes should really watch this

Trigger warning

www.instagram.com/reel/DA8q3lbqqkv/?igsh=djQwMmo2eThkbmhh

This is devastating to see. There's just so much injustice in this conflict. And one side is paying a much heavier price than the other.

Lettherebejustice · 10/10/2024 16:30

Another school that are housing the displaced, bombed today in a safezone. Absolutely unbelievable that this is still happening.
For those who are still in denial about Israeli war crimes should really watch this

Trigger warning

www.instagram.com/reel/DA8q3lbqqkv/?igsh=djQwMmo2eThkbmhh