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LeoOakley · 19/10/2024 10:18

Auvergne63 · 19/10/2024 09:52

We see them for what they truly are. History cannot only be written by the victors anymore. The technology that Israel has developed over the years is now used to record what is happening. There is justice in this, I feel.

Much of the world has had their eyes opened to what they are, and what they have been doing in plain sight for decades.

I am stunned, horrified and feel mentally battered daily by refusing to look away as their crimes continue. There will be long term consequences for Israel, and while I don't know in which shape, I take a little comfort from this. I also take comfort in the younger generations such as gen Z seeing straight through any propaganda and viewing this through a lense of utter disgust.

They will remember and still be documenting all this when many of us are long gone.

Auvergne63 · 19/10/2024 09:52

Scirocco · 19/10/2024 09:26

They may well get what they want now, but I hope the world will see them for what they are, and remember. Even if they kill every one of us, it will be hard to erase what happened from history, if we all document it.

Even with all the efforts to hide the crimes committed in the Nakba and subsequent occupations and oppressions, documents have survived and are being retrieved and preserved. In this age of information, it's going to be harder to hide what is being done.

We see them for what they truly are. History cannot only be written by the victors anymore. The technology that Israel has developed over the years is now used to record what is happening. There is justice in this, I feel.

SallyWD · 19/10/2024 09:31

Scirocco · 19/10/2024 09:26

They may well get what they want now, but I hope the world will see them for what they are, and remember. Even if they kill every one of us, it will be hard to erase what happened from history, if we all document it.

Even with all the efforts to hide the crimes committed in the Nakba and subsequent occupations and oppressions, documents have survived and are being retrieved and preserved. In this age of information, it's going to be harder to hide what is being done.

Very true. I feel world leaders aren't reacting strongly enough, due to whatever political games they feel they need to play. However, the world can see what's happening and we won't forget.

Scirocco · 19/10/2024 09:26

Daftasabroom · 19/10/2024 09:18

or until a far-right, expansionist, aggressive government with objectives of occupation and annexation, ethnic cleansing, genocide and supremacy, gets what it wants

I fear this is looking increasingly likely by the day.

They may well get what they want now, but I hope the world will see them for what they are, and remember. Even if they kill every one of us, it will be hard to erase what happened from history, if we all document it.

Even with all the efforts to hide the crimes committed in the Nakba and subsequent occupations and oppressions, documents have survived and are being retrieved and preserved. In this age of information, it's going to be harder to hide what is being done.

Daftasabroom · 19/10/2024 09:18

Scirocco · 19/10/2024 09:15

At this point, I don't think it would matter if Hamas did that or not. In the absence of external protection for Palestine and now Lebanon (and wherever becomes next on the list), the Israeli government's campaign to destroy Palestine will continue.

There will keep being a new objective, a new justification or excuse, until someone with sufficient backbone and morality puts a stop to it, or until a far-right, expansionist, aggressive government with objectives of occupation and annexation, ethnic cleansing, genocide and supremacy, gets what it wants.

or until a far-right, expansionist, aggressive government with objectives of occupation and annexation, ethnic cleansing, genocide and supremacy, gets what it wants

I fear this is looking increasingly likely by the day.

Scirocco · 19/10/2024 09:16

itwasnevermine · 19/10/2024 09:11

@Daftasabroom exactly what I mean.

As the US and UK have changed their position and begun publicly calling out Israel, this is all happening.

Very convenient timing, as has consistently been the case.

Daftasabroom · 19/10/2024 09:15

itwasnevermine · 19/10/2024 09:11

@Daftasabroom exactly what I mean.

As the US and UK have changed their position and begun publicly calling out Israel, this is all happening.

And the Israelis were operating in Lebanon, shutting down tunnels etc for 200 days before they started the full ground invasion.

Scirocco · 19/10/2024 09:15

GoForARun · 19/10/2024 08:29

I'm just so sickened by all the deaths and destruction. And frightened for what terrifying developments lie ahead.

Israel is clearly going to keep going and going. I wish Hamas would wave a white flag - for the sake of the innocent Palestinian people, children especially, who want none of this horror.

At this point, I don't think it would matter if Hamas did that or not. In the absence of external protection for Palestine and now Lebanon (and wherever becomes next on the list), the Israeli government's campaign to destroy Palestine will continue.

There will keep being a new objective, a new justification or excuse, until someone with sufficient backbone and morality puts a stop to it, or until a far-right, expansionist, aggressive government with objectives of occupation and annexation, ethnic cleansing, genocide and supremacy, gets what it wants.

Lettherebejustice · 19/10/2024 09:14

Is there a thread about the north of Gaza? The atrocities happening there by Israel are almost difficult to comprehend despite the immense cruelty we have seen from them.

This is someone that they shot and injured and then when other people came to help they started attacking them too.

The north of Gaza is being annihilated right now, with massacre after massacre. One Israeli minister actually admitted yesterday that there is a siege on the north but it is 'legal'

www.instagram.com/reel/DBRkYgQopkD/?igsh=bnduMGR5cHN0MnMy

itwasnevermine · 19/10/2024 09:11

@Daftasabroom exactly what I mean.

As the US and UK have changed their position and begun publicly calling out Israel, this is all happening.

Daftasabroom · 19/10/2024 09:06

itwasnevermine · 19/10/2024 08:55

Has this been confirmed?

All of a sudden Israel are getting key Hamas players and he's being targeted, which just so happens to coincide with the US and UK beginning to change position on their support of Israel.

All of a sudden? You mean the 42,000 Palestinians killed by Israel prior to the death of Sinwar weren't really required in order to get at the leaders?

anotherlevel · 19/10/2024 08:58

@itwasnevermine I've only seen it on Al Jazeera but I'll see if I can find anything else.

itwasnevermine · 19/10/2024 08:55

anotherlevel · 19/10/2024 08:25

Not sure where to put this, the thread about Hezbollah isn't showing up for me for some reason.

But Hezbollah have targeted Netanyahu's home using a drone. No casualties and him and his wife were not home at the time.

Has this been confirmed?

All of a sudden Israel are getting key Hamas players and he's being targeted, which just so happens to coincide with the US and UK beginning to change position on their support of Israel.

GoForARun · 19/10/2024 08:29

I'm just so sickened by all the deaths and destruction. And frightened for what terrifying developments lie ahead.

Israel is clearly going to keep going and going. I wish Hamas would wave a white flag - for the sake of the innocent Palestinian people, children especially, who want none of this horror.

anotherlevel · 19/10/2024 08:25

Not sure where to put this, the thread about Hezbollah isn't showing up for me for some reason.

But Hezbollah have targeted Netanyahu's home using a drone. No casualties and him and his wife were not home at the time.

This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 5)
Opine · 18/10/2024 23:28

itwasnevermine · 18/10/2024 15:57

So despite Israel saying that the Hamas leader was constantly surrounded by civilians, he wasn't?

What's their excuse for bombing schools

Nor was he in a tunnel. Or a penthouse in Qatar.

itwasnevermine · 18/10/2024 15:57

So despite Israel saying that the Hamas leader was constantly surrounded by civilians, he wasn't?

What's their excuse for bombing schools

Auvergne63 · 18/10/2024 15:33

GhostCicada · 18/10/2024 15:31

Israel bars 6 medical NGOs from entry to Gaza.

“Health-care workers are some of the only international observers that have witnessed acts that amount to war crimes in Gaza,” said Dorotea Gucciardo, director of development for Glia, an international humanitarian organization specializing in high-quality medical equipment and one of the organizations recently barred from entering the Strip.
“It is difficult for me to not believe that the decision to ban international health-care workers is a deliberate attempt to limit international observers in Gaza,” she added.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/18/israel-gaza-war-aid-hospitals-doctors/

Not really surprised.

GhostCicada · 18/10/2024 15:31

Israel bars 6 medical NGOs from entry to Gaza.

“Health-care workers are some of the only international observers that have witnessed acts that amount to war crimes in Gaza,” said Dorotea Gucciardo, director of development for Glia, an international humanitarian organization specializing in high-quality medical equipment and one of the organizations recently barred from entering the Strip.
“It is difficult for me to not believe that the decision to ban international health-care workers is a deliberate attempt to limit international observers in Gaza,” she added.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/18/israel-gaza-war-aid-hospitals-doctors/

anotherlevel · 18/10/2024 09:15

@MissyB1 Netanyahu has no intention of ending the war and he just wants peace 🙄

MissyB1 · 18/10/2024 07:18

itwasnevermine · 18/10/2024 06:28

I do think the timing around the killing of the leader of Hamas seems very suspicious.

They have been threatened by the USA with a reduction in aid, and more and more governments are criticising their actions. Then all of a sudden they've killed the Hamas leader?

Well if they believe they've killed the Hamas leader surely thars job done and they can get out of Gaza now! As if they have any intention of leaving ever!

itwasnevermine · 18/10/2024 06:28

EasterIssland · 17/10/2024 19:16

I do think the timing around the killing of the leader of Hamas seems very suspicious.

They have been threatened by the USA with a reduction in aid, and more and more governments are criticising their actions. Then all of a sudden they've killed the Hamas leader?

Flatiron · 18/10/2024 00:44

EasterIssland · 16/10/2024 16:18

He was a hezbollah member or it was a mistake and we are looking into it

If they do look into it, they will eventually completely exonerate themselves because, well, they always do….

Daftasabroom · 17/10/2024 22:09

I am watching an appeal for help on BBC on behalf of the Disasters Appeal Committee for the humanitarian crisis in Gaza yet the British Government continue to endorse export of arms to the IDF.

There is something very wrong in that.