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Scirocco · 21/10/2024 18:01

Human shields, men separated and forced to risk their lives to keep their captors safer. And this is widespread.

Scirocco · 21/10/2024 17:47

@GhostCicada I've heard accounts from people I know and trust, of people going through experiences very similar to what she has described (I can't speak for the accuracy or otherwise of the specific examples in the journalist's pieces, however). The separation of men and male children from women before taking them away for no clear reason other than being male in Palestine, mock executions, actual executions, torture, sexual assault, etc.... I don't think I know anyone personally who's reported having experienced live organ harvesting, but I do know people who have reported medical torture, and an investigation into the death of one of my friends years ago confirmed that some of her organs were removed after her death, and that this was not unusual practice. The language used by the journalist is emotive and in some cases should have been edited, and journalists should make sure their reporting is accurate and their examples sufficiently robust, but that doesn't mean these things aren't happening in Palestine.

GhostCicada · 21/10/2024 17:26

Toomanywars · 21/10/2024 13:00

I feel for her, but as a journalist she needs to ensure what she writes is factual. The queue of men lined up for death. Was it actually true.

"The language used by Owda has been criticized for it containing elements of blood libel, the false notion that Jews kill non-Jews to use their blood in rituals."

If she adds lies, exaggeration and anti semitism as in blood rituals she does herself no good. Or anyone for that matter.

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Do you think after 1 year of living on minimal food and water, living in absolute terror, being displaced multiple times, seeing horrific sights of people blown to pieces right in front of you and losing multiple loved ones it is possible to always make the right decisions, to sit and think is this post doing me good? She may be a journalist but she is also human, she has suffered side by side with everyone else in Gaza for the past year watching her fellow journalists be targets of Israel. She doesn't get to go home after a day of observing and chatting to people, make a cup of tea, call her editor to spit ball ideas then sit back on her sofa and carefully craft an Instagram post pondering on whether or not what she does is 'good' for her. She's stuck in Gaza, there is literally nothing she can do to make things 'good for herself'.

Dulra · 21/10/2024 13:40

Auvergne63 · 21/10/2024 12:17

They also showed footage of Israelis looking through those coin operated binoculars to view the carnage in Gaza
This the one of the most deprived thing I have ever read. What kind of human being would want to do this? Would ever think of doing this?

I know, similar to the sightseeing boat trips that were reported on a couple of months back.

Toomanywars · 21/10/2024 13:00

I feel for her, but as a journalist she needs to ensure what she writes is factual. The queue of men lined up for death. Was it actually true.

"The language used by Owda has been criticized for it containing elements of blood libel, the false notion that Jews kill non-Jews to use their blood in rituals."

If she adds lies, exaggeration and anti semitism as in blood rituals she does herself no good. Or anyone for that matter.

Auvergne63 · 21/10/2024 12:17

Dulra · 20/10/2024 22:11

Heartbreaking scenes on the BBC from Northern Gaza tonight 😓
They also showed footage of Israelis looking through those coin operated binoculars to view the carnage in Gaza. I just don't understand why anyone would get enjoyment from that, it's disgusting.

They also showed footage of Israelis looking through those coin operated binoculars to view the carnage in Gaza
This the one of the most deprived thing I have ever read. What kind of human being would want to do this? Would ever think of doing this?

MissyB1 · 21/10/2024 08:56

Dulra · 20/10/2024 22:11

Heartbreaking scenes on the BBC from Northern Gaza tonight 😓
They also showed footage of Israelis looking through those coin operated binoculars to view the carnage in Gaza. I just don't understand why anyone would get enjoyment from that, it's disgusting.

The Israelis are probably eyeing up sites for their future homes 😡

Daftasabroom · 21/10/2024 07:52

@GhostCicada thank you. I added the link because it included the original text and some background, your post adds width.

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GhostCicada · 20/10/2024 23:15

I think Bisan deserves some compassion, which that article really hasn't shown. She is a young woman who has been through a lot(massive understatement), her posts on Instagram have swung from desperate to angry to resigned to her own death multiple times over. She's been displaced over and over again, lost friends and loved ones, lost her normal life and lost Gaza place that she clearly loved and had such pride in. It all comes back to the 'perfect victim' thing really, she probably isn't a perfect victim, perhaps she has in her desperation embellished things or spoken things she shouldn't have but she is a victim, multiple times over, her whole life scarred by Israels military occupation and blockade and now the horrors of the past year. I would angry too. I would be scared too. I would be desperate too. I probably wouldn't act in a way which would appear perfect to people not sat in a tent in an active war zone. I definitely wouldn't like Israel or have anything positive to say about them.

It troubles me that Palestinians have to be 'perfect victims' in order to have their victimhood recognised. We have to point to the little children and say look they are innocent, please if you care about no one else care about them. Even then that is met with thinly veiled Palestinian children are future terrorists posts.

People are complex and even more so when they go through a childhood of trauma and bombings and fear. It's remarkable that Bisan has become the talented, articulate, head strong young woman that she clearly is. I couldn't walk a mile in her shoes, so I refuse to pass judgement.

Well said.

GhostCicada · 20/10/2024 23:15

Daftasabroom · 20/10/2024 22:08

In the interest of fairness this is, as yet, a completely unsubstantiated report.

www.thewrap.com/bisan-owda-emmy-israel-gaza-idf-executions-claim/

I hope it isn't true.

I think Bisan deserves some compassion, which that article really hasn't shown. She is a young woman who has been through a lot(massive understatement), her posts on Instagram have swung from desperate to angry to resigned to her own death multiple times over. She's been displaced over and over again, lost friends and loved ones, lost her normal life and lost Gaza place that she clearly loved and had such pride in. It all comes back to the 'perfect victim' thing really, she probably isn't a perfect victim, perhaps she has in her desperation embellished things or spoken things she shouldn't have but she is a victim, multiple times over, her whole life scarred by Israels military occupation and blockade and now the horrors of the past year. I would angry too. I would be scared too. I would be desperate too. I probably wouldn't act in a way which would appear perfect to people not sat in a tent in an active war zone. I definitely wouldn't like Israel or have anything positive to say about them.

It troubles me that Palestinians have to be 'perfect victims' in order to have their victimhood recognised. We have to point to the little children and say look they are innocent, please if you care about no one else care about them. Even then that is met with thinly veiled Palestinian children are future terrorists posts.

People are complex and even more so when they go through a childhood of trauma and bombings and fear. It's remarkable that Bisan has become the talented, articulate, head strong young woman that she clearly is. I couldn't walk a mile in her shoes, so I refuse to pass judgement.

Dulra · 20/10/2024 22:17

Daftasabroom · 20/10/2024 22:08

In the interest of fairness this is, as yet, a completely unsubstantiated report.

www.thewrap.com/bisan-owda-emmy-israel-gaza-idf-executions-claim/

I hope it isn't true.

I have not heard this anywhere else so it doesn't look like that is what the queue was for. Things are horrific enough without making up such horrors, doesn't help the situation at all. Everyone needs to hold onto the truth because doubt is not Palestinians friend.

Dulra · 20/10/2024 22:11

Heartbreaking scenes on the BBC from Northern Gaza tonight 😓
They also showed footage of Israelis looking through those coin operated binoculars to view the carnage in Gaza. I just don't understand why anyone would get enjoyment from that, it's disgusting.

Daftasabroom · 20/10/2024 22:08

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In the interest of fairness this is, as yet, a completely unsubstantiated report.

www.thewrap.com/bisan-owda-emmy-israel-gaza-idf-executions-claim/

I hope it isn't true.

Lettherebejustice · 20/10/2024 20:57

It is quite evident now that Israel's goal is to destroy Gaza. They won't be bothered in the least that they are condemned for it. A rogue pariah state with a rogue army that is known to attack and kill indiscriminately. A stain on our shared humanity.

Scirocco · 20/10/2024 20:46

Leaked documents in the US show preparations by Israel to attack Iran directly, apparently.

Lettherebejustice · 20/10/2024 20:34

May the oppressive leaders never see a day of peace in their lives. May they not die until they face the pain of what they have inflicted on the innocent.

Lettherebejustice · 20/10/2024 20:28

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I have no words.. history will judge those harshly, who remained neutral in the face of oppression or worse, sided with them.

anotherlevel · 20/10/2024 20:19

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itwasnevermine · 20/10/2024 19:06

Despite prior coordination with Israeli authorities their clearly-marked vehicle was bombed

How. How can they justify this?!

PeasfullPerson · 20/10/2024 11:27

Not really sure what good these words can do, but thinking of everyone in Gaza who feels forgotten, especially those in the North.

Please try to keep going.

https://aje.io/es3voe?update=3260253

Israel accused of ‘war of extermination’ as dozens killed in northern Gaza

Rescuers scour the debris in Beit Lahiya town after repeated Israeli air strikes destroy homes of trapped Palestinians.

https://aje.io/es3voe?update=3260253

Silence1 · 19/10/2024 22:22

Sharing this here as well. The Govt said they would match up to £10million but it surpassed that in two days.
"The latest IPC report paints a devastating picture of the situation in Gaza. The persistent threat of famine and the staggeringly high levels of acute malnutrition are an alarming signal that time is running out for millions of people, especially as the cold sets in and spread of disease worsens.

“Since the beginning of the crisis, repeated airstrikes have devastated essential infrastructure, with bakeries, agricultural land, and markets being hit over 190 times, crippling Gaza's ability to produce and access food. The decimation of livelihoods, the destruction of food systems, and the collapse of essential services are pushing Gaza to the brink of catastrophe.

Disasters Emergency Committee raises over £11 million in Middle East Humanitarian Appeal: experts warn of ‘catastrophic’ hunger in Gaza, with famine still a real danger | Disasters Emergency Committee

Disasters Emergency Committee raises over £11 million in Middle East Humanitarian Appeal: experts warn of ‘catastrophic’ hunger in Gaza, with famine still a real danger

https://www.dec.org.uk/press-release/disasters-emergency-committee-raises-over-11-million-in-middle-east-humanitarian

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