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ScrollingLeaves · 19/11/2024 22:38

Kindatired · 19/11/2024 19:11

The New York Times has photos and interviews with injured people who have been treated after leaving Gaza.
“Mama, scratch my hair, scratch my nose.” Says a 9 year old who has lost both arms above elbow.
A photographer who lost both legs says:“I reached the point where I was talking to the corpses.”
The pregnant cancer patient who was widowed before her child was born and woke up with an amputation- how low can you go? There is nothing between Hamas and the IDF
Children rendered paraplegic and orphaned in the same strike. Orphaned amputees. Multiple amputations . Children being thrown out the window of burning buildings.
It is not self defence and while it might not be the primary intention to kill and maim the consequences apologists the IDF’s actions are foreseeable and the IDF is choosing to continue.

And there are those who have intentionally killed children ( young children). Many doctors who volunteered in Gaza independently stated that they saw children who had been sniped in the head or heart.

The Doctor Who Saw Children Shot in the Head in Gaza—and Tried to Tell the World
When the New York Times approached Sidhwa to write for its opinion section about what he saw in Gaza—widespread starvation, collapsed sanitary systems—he took it as an opportunity. He went beyond writing from his own experience and corroborated his account with 64 other doctors. In particular, he was haunted by something he saw again and again: children shot in the head.

“Nearly every day I was there, I saw a new young child who had been shot in the head or the chest, virtually all of whom went on to die,” he wrote. At first, he thought this was an anomaly, the work of “a particularly sadistic soldier located nearby.” But when he asked other health care workers, he found that dozens were seeing the same thing.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/10/feroze-sidhwa-new-york-times-children-gaza-shot-in-head-israel-palestine-doctor/

OPEN LETTER FROM AMERICAN MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS WHO SERVED IN GAZA*
https://www.gazahealthcareletters.org/usa-letter-oct-2-2024
(99 medical professionals)

The number of children killed in Gaza in 3 weeks is more than the total number killed in armed conflict globally last year!
https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/gaza-childrens-deaths-in-last-three-weeks-surpasses-total-child-#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20children%20reported%20killed%20in%20just%20three%20weeks,for%20the%20last%20three%20years.

Statement on children's deaths in Gaza | Save the Children

Children killed in Gaza in three weeks surpasses annual number of children killed across the world's conflict zones since 2019.

https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/gaza-childrens-deaths-in-last-three-weeks-surpasses-total-child-#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20children%20reported%20killed%20in%20just%20three%20weeks,for%20the%20last%20three%20years.

Lalaloveya · 19/11/2024 22:16

Toomanywars · 19/11/2024 22:07

Do you think with the Iraq war, Vietnam, Korean War, WW1 and WW2, conflicts in Kosovo, Darfur, Syria, Yeman, Afghanistan, and on and on and on, that children didn't get blown to pieces. War is awful and many innocents die. Why is it that only now people realise that and didn't realise that War is awful and too many die. It's odd that some act like this is the first time that innocent children are killed. Its awful.

Don't you think it's unusual for around 70% of the dead in a "war" to be women and children?

It's also unheard of for an entire health system to be destroyed, and aid to be denied.

You're defending the indefensible.

Toomanywars · 19/11/2024 22:07

Kindatired · 19/11/2024 17:51

I’m not sure if this is behind a pay wall but today’s Washington Post has an account of the injuries upinflctrd on Lebanese children.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/19/children-killed-lebanon-israel-hezbollah/
It describes children burned alive and covered from head to foot with bandages, orphaned and surviving by scavenging in dumpsters, brain damaged while playing outside, rescue workers putting bits of bodies in bags and not being able to identify even pieces of a little girl who was blown to bits in her house.
This is not defence. This is aggression.
Another article, based on more than 20 interviews, discusses how the IDF is colluding with powerful criminal gangs, Hamas rivals, to disrupt the flow of aid.
So not only is the flow of aid restricted, profiteering occurring by traders on both sides of the border, Israel is encouraging looting and misappropriation of aid as well as targeting aid workers.

Do you think with the Iraq war, Vietnam, Korean War, WW1 and WW2, conflicts in Kosovo, Darfur, Syria, Yeman, Afghanistan, and on and on and on, that children didn't get blown to pieces. War is awful and many innocents die. Why is it that only now people realise that and didn't realise that War is awful and too many die. It's odd that some act like this is the first time that innocent children are killed. Its awful.

Kindatired · 19/11/2024 19:11

The New York Times has photos and interviews with injured people who have been treated after leaving Gaza.
“Mama, scratch my hair, scratch my nose.” Says a 9 year old who has lost both arms above elbow.
A photographer who lost both legs says:“I reached the point where I was talking to the corpses.”
The pregnant cancer patient who was widowed before her child was born and woke up with an amputation- how low can you go? There is nothing between Hamas and the IDF
Children rendered paraplegic and orphaned in the same strike. Orphaned amputees. Multiple amputations . Children being thrown out the window of burning buildings.
It is not self defence and while it might not be the primary intention to kill and maim the consequences apologists the IDF’s actions are foreseeable and the IDF is choosing to continue.

PeaceForPalestine · 19/11/2024 18:18

I keep waking up in the middle of the night, panicking, thinking about what Palestinian prisoners are going through 😩

Kindatired · 19/11/2024 17:51

I’m not sure if this is behind a pay wall but today’s Washington Post has an account of the injuries upinflctrd on Lebanese children.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/19/children-killed-lebanon-israel-hezbollah/
It describes children burned alive and covered from head to foot with bandages, orphaned and surviving by scavenging in dumpsters, brain damaged while playing outside, rescue workers putting bits of bodies in bags and not being able to identify even pieces of a little girl who was blown to bits in her house.
This is not defence. This is aggression.
Another article, based on more than 20 interviews, discusses how the IDF is colluding with powerful criminal gangs, Hamas rivals, to disrupt the flow of aid.
So not only is the flow of aid restricted, profiteering occurring by traders on both sides of the border, Israel is encouraging looting and misappropriation of aid as well as targeting aid workers.

MissyB1 · 19/11/2024 17:04

EasterIssland · 19/11/2024 16:42

Israeli authorities have impounded a fire engine donated by Scottish firefighters to aid Palestinian firefighters. Yesterday, we went to the Israeli Assembly to deliver a letter demanding the fire engine is released. Firefighters must be able to protect and save lives.
https://x.com/fbunational/status/1858829940671598637

Israel will probably say Scottish firefighters are members of Hamas 🙄

EasterIssland · 19/11/2024 16:42

Israeli authorities have impounded a fire engine donated by Scottish firefighters to aid Palestinian firefighters. Yesterday, we went to the Israeli Assembly to deliver a letter demanding the fire engine is released. Firefighters must be able to protect and save lives.
https://x.com/fbunational/status/1858829940671598637

Lalaloveya · 16/11/2024 20:53

Another massacre in Gaza by Israel today. At Abu Assi school in the Shatea refugee camp, west of Gaza City.

I haven't heard any numbers but the videos on twitter are absolutely appalling.

I'm so sick of seeing traumatised and mangled children and people smashed to bits by Israeli bombs. I won't post the footage but anyone deranged enough to continue to support these atrocities should have a look.

Usernamesareboring1 · 16/11/2024 19:50

This is so barbaric 💔

ScrollingLeaves · 16/11/2024 19:25

Some Months back when I read something like this I was sceptical. Now I believe it.

Scirocco · 15/11/2024 16:28

Dulra · 15/11/2024 12:44

It's control and intimidation. There is no military security risk to allow these children access to medical intervention outside Gaza. So they refuse because they can and want Gazans to know that.

They do it because they can and they want to. People enjoying the suffering of children - our children. This hurts every Palestinian who knows this could be their child relative, every person around the world with Palestinian children among their loved ones, and every person who knows that people mean it when they tell us: "Today it's them - soon it will be you."

ScrollingLeaves · 15/11/2024 16:25

Today I heard on the radio that Znetanyahu and cronies have tampered with and falsified the time of telephone calls received soon after the Hamas attack on Oct 7. A follow up call was made to appear sooner than it was to make him appear to have made a decision sooner than he had.

I think Israel appears to be ruled by
a lying, criminally minded near dictator.

Dulra · 15/11/2024 12:44

MissyB1 · 15/11/2024 11:46

What the fuck is wrong with Israel that they not only want to kill Palestinian kids, but they do their best to block them getting treatment for their wounds when they have severely injured them!! Do Israel get some kind of sadistic thrill from this? 😡😡😡

It's control and intimidation. There is no military security risk to allow these children access to medical intervention outside Gaza. So they refuse because they can and want Gazans to know that.

Lalaloveya · 15/11/2024 12:00

MissyB1 · 15/11/2024 11:46

What the fuck is wrong with Israel that they not only want to kill Palestinian kids, but they do their best to block them getting treatment for their wounds when they have severely injured them!! Do Israel get some kind of sadistic thrill from this? 😡😡😡

I think some must enjoy it. For others it's just part of the genocidal effort to destroy Gaza and Gazans.

It's absolutely deplorable. I can't believe they're openly doing this because it shows that they are absolute psychos.

I'd be interested in how Mumsnet posters who support this would defend it.

MissyB1 · 15/11/2024 11:46

What the fuck is wrong with Israel that they not only want to kill Palestinian kids, but they do their best to block them getting treatment for their wounds when they have severely injured them!! Do Israel get some kind of sadistic thrill from this? 😡😡😡

Dulra · 14/11/2024 13:51

Scirocco · 14/11/2024 12:06

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/14/israel-accused-of-crimes-against-humanity-over-forced-displacement-in-gaza

I can't find the words just now. How are people ok with this? How can people choose to ignore that these things are legally and morally wrong?

Israel is using evacuation orders to pursue the “deliberate and massive forced displacement” of Palestinian civilians in Gaza, according to a report by Human Rights Watch, which says the policy amounts to crimes against humanity.

The US-based group added it had collected evidence that suggested “the war crime of forcible transfer [of the civilian population]”, describing it as “a grave breach of the Geneva conventions and a crime under the Rome statute of the international criminal court”.

The report was published amid mounting evidence that Israel is accelerating its efforts to cut the Gaza Strip in two with a buffer zone and is building new infrastructure to support a prolonged military presence, with an increased pace of demolitions and destruction.

I can understand why you can't find the words. It is horrific enough it is happening but the fact that they are enabled to do it by the lack of any backbone from the international community is inexcusable. This is so far off a resolution that will facilitate a Palestinian state moving further and further away from peace.

Auvergne63 · 14/11/2024 13:44

Scirocco · 14/11/2024 12:06

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/14/israel-accused-of-crimes-against-humanity-over-forced-displacement-in-gaza

I can't find the words just now. How are people ok with this? How can people choose to ignore that these things are legally and morally wrong?

I can't either but Gideon Levy did:
"“Thanks to the media and the politicians—two of the worst agents for dumbing down and blinding Israeli society—we learned that the Arabs were born to kill, the whole world is against us, anti-Semitism determines how Israel is dealt with and there is no connection between our actions and the price we pay.”

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 14/11/2024 04:50

Does anyone know if Israel submitted their report to the ICJ about how they're taking measures to prevent genocide? I've heard nothing about that and it's been ages. Israel has been terrible at adhering to the requirements outlined in ruling.

PeasfullPerson · 13/11/2024 21:55

It seems to go on and on and on @EasterIssland I despair.

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