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Scirocco · 25/11/2024 08:26

BelleHathor · 24/11/2024 23:21

Wow! Bold move for "the only democracy in the Middle East".

Nothing says "Democracy" quite like seeking to silence all voices disagreeing with the government.

EasterIssland · 25/11/2024 07:23

Not surprised. They’re against anything that doesn’t approve their actions and haaretz has been quite critical

BelleHathor · 24/11/2024 23:21

PeasfullPerson · 24/11/2024 22:09

Did anyone see that Israel has sanctioned Haaretz!!

Wow! Bold move for "the only democracy in the Middle East".

ScrollingLeaves · 24/11/2024 22:49

Thank you for sharing that news about the sanction on Haaretz @PeasfullPerson
I have found it.

Haaretz

Israeli Government Imposes Sanctions on Haaretz, Cuts All Ties and Pulls Advertising

The resolution approved on Sunday did not appear on the government's agenda published ahead of the weekly cabinet meeting, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu approved it without it undergoing the customary legal review.

Quote from Haaretz in The Guardian

“Like his friends Putin, Erdoğan, and Orbán, Netanyahu is trying to silence a critical, independent newspaper. Haaretz will not balk and will not morph into a government pamphlet that publishes messages approved by the government and its leader,” the [Haaretz] statement said.
www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/24/israeli-government-orders-officials-to-boycott-left-leaning-paper-haaretz

ScrollingLeaves · 24/11/2024 22:40

PeasfullPerson · 24/11/2024 22:09

Did anyone see that Israel has sanctioned Haaretz!!

No, where did you see that?

PeasfullPerson · 24/11/2024 22:09

Did anyone see that Israel has sanctioned Haaretz!!

BelleHathor · 24/11/2024 11:09

Toomanywars · 24/11/2024 10:28

Is there a link other than someone's claim on x.

BM the Twitter poster is an Israeli who lives in Israel and tweets about what is being said in the Israeli Press.

Ali Mortada from the linked video is a Lebanese journalist who lives in South Lebanon and reports daily on the situation.

As above, considering that it took nearly a year for Israeli papers to report on the Hannibal Directive being implemented on October 7th I expect there won't be any "official" reports for while.

Hostages are also a bad memory for the IDF as they previously swapped a single IDF soldier for 1000 fighters.
https://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/17/world/meast/israel-prisoner-swap-explainer/index.html

Why Israelis believe one soldier is worth 1,000 Palestinian prisoners | CNN

Israel plans to free 1,000 Palestinian prisoners in exchange for Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit. How and why has the controversial deal come about?

https://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/17/world/meast/israel-prisoner-swap-explainer/index.html

Toomanywars · 24/11/2024 10:28

BelleHathor · 23/11/2024 23:58

Absolutely, the IDF act with impunity. They enact vengeance on civilians for the their battlefield loses. Former Swiss intelligence agent Colonel Jacques Baud recently said in an interview that "they fight with no honour" and that's shown to the world daily.

The rumours from Lebanon yesterday are that after intense battles Hezbollah were close to capturing some IDF soldiers, so Israel applied the Hannibal Directive killing their own soldiers instead of letting them be captured.
https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1860073099087216827

Is there a link other than someone's claim on x.

BelleHathor · 23/11/2024 23:58

EasterIssland · 23/11/2024 19:20

Lebanon has zero air defences. There is no operational need for Israel to bomb at 4am. The only reason they bomb in the middle of the night is to maximise civilian casualties and especially to kill as many children as possible, who would mostly be outside in waking hours.

https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1860262845763457467

Absolutely, the IDF act with impunity. They enact vengeance on civilians for the their battlefield loses. Former Swiss intelligence agent Colonel Jacques Baud recently said in an interview that "they fight with no honour" and that's shown to the world daily.

The rumours from Lebanon yesterday are that after intense battles Hezbollah were close to capturing some IDF soldiers, so Israel applied the Hannibal Directive killing their own soldiers instead of letting them be captured.
https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1860073099087216827

x.com

https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1860073099087216827

EasterIssland · 23/11/2024 19:20

Lebanon has zero air defences. There is no operational need for Israel to bomb at 4am. The only reason they bomb in the middle of the night is to maximise civilian casualties and especially to kill as many children as possible, who would mostly be outside in waking hours.

https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1860262845763457467

x.com

https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1860262845763457467

ScrollingLeaves · 22/11/2024 20:09

Channel 4’s report on Forensic Architecture’s report:

www.channel4.com/news/new-data-shows-extent-displacement-in-northern-gaza

ScrollingLeaves · 22/11/2024 20:03

This is an extensive report about Gaza by Forensic Architecture and includes mapping of changes.

Ethnic cleansing is unfolding in northern Gaza. We are witnessing an intensification and acceleration of military tactics previously used by the Israeli military throughout the Strip, this time aimed at enforcing large-scale displacement from the north. Analysis of Israeli ground operations reveals a new military corridor slicing through the fabric of northern Gaza from east to west, further isolating northern Gaza from the rest of the Strip. Meanwhile, hospitals in Jabalia are under attack once again, some for the third time, and aid remains obstructed, exacerbating an engineered famine

x.com/ForensicArchi/status/1860005331897622954

Scirocco · 20/11/2024 22:04

PeasfullPerson · 20/11/2024 21:53

I’m not sure he even cares about them, he only appears to care when it helps himself. It’s still difficult to accept that people would vote for someone who so clearly couldn’t give a rats backside about their wellbeing, and can’t be trusted to remotely stick to their word (policies). Perhaps it wasn’t obvious, but I’m pretty sure he doesn’t actually care about unborn children.

He only cares that pretending to care might win him votes for more power...

PeasfullPerson · 20/11/2024 21:53

Scirocco · 20/11/2024 21:47

It's only white/rich/non-Muslim children he cares about. When it's profitable for him to do so. His own family have previously discussed the real estate values of Gaza (for Israel, not for Palestine, of course).

I’m not sure he even cares about them, he only appears to care when it helps himself. It’s still difficult to accept that people would vote for someone who so clearly couldn’t give a rats backside about their wellbeing, and can’t be trusted to remotely stick to their word (policies). Perhaps it wasn’t obvious, but I’m pretty sure he doesn’t actually care about unborn children.

Scirocco · 20/11/2024 21:47

PeasfullPerson · 20/11/2024 21:42

I’ve run out of things to say, it’s horrific.

When will aid get to people in Northern Gaza? When will Israel turn the table on this cruelty? How supportive of this mass murder will Trump be? Is it only unborn children he cares about? And why are people so stupid.

It's only white/rich/non-Muslim children he cares about. When it's profitable for him to do so. His own family have previously discussed the real estate values of Gaza (for Israel, not for Palestine, of course).

PeasfullPerson · 20/11/2024 21:42

I’ve run out of things to say, it’s horrific.

When will aid get to people in Northern Gaza? When will Israel turn the table on this cruelty? How supportive of this mass murder will Trump be? Is it only unborn children he cares about? And why are people so stupid.

Auvergne63 · 20/11/2024 16:10

Kindatired · 19/11/2024 17:51

I’m not sure if this is behind a pay wall but today’s Washington Post has an account of the injuries upinflctrd on Lebanese children.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/19/children-killed-lebanon-israel-hezbollah/
It describes children burned alive and covered from head to foot with bandages, orphaned and surviving by scavenging in dumpsters, brain damaged while playing outside, rescue workers putting bits of bodies in bags and not being able to identify even pieces of a little girl who was blown to bits in her house.
This is not defence. This is aggression.
Another article, based on more than 20 interviews, discusses how the IDF is colluding with powerful criminal gangs, Hamas rivals, to disrupt the flow of aid.
So not only is the flow of aid restricted, profiteering occurring by traders on both sides of the border, Israel is encouraging looting and misappropriation of aid as well as targeting aid workers.

They are doing to Lebanese children what they are doing to Gazan children. It is beyond evil.

ScrollingLeaves · 20/11/2024 12:36

Thank you, I had not seen that video clip.

The story of the Palestinian female doctor with new born twins who was targeted and killed with her babies by the IDF when her husband happened to be away getting their birth certificates, was written about in a thread here a few months ago.

A lot of medical workers have been IDF targets.

Notice the bored, indifferent faces in the background, not least that of Israel’s leader of its own moral demise, Netanyahu. Poor Israeli people to have him.

The man who was so bravely speaking out is called Ayman Odeh, I think.

JaneJeffer · 20/11/2024 01:01

I don't know if this has been posted

Daftasabroom · 19/11/2024 23:27

Toomanywars · 19/11/2024 22:07

Do you think with the Iraq war, Vietnam, Korean War, WW1 and WW2, conflicts in Kosovo, Darfur, Syria, Yeman, Afghanistan, and on and on and on, that children didn't get blown to pieces. War is awful and many innocents die. Why is it that only now people realise that and didn't realise that War is awful and too many die. It's odd that some act like this is the first time that innocent children are killed. Its awful.

And the death and killing of non-combatants was condemned in those conflicts too.

The scale of death of civilians in Gaza and beyond is completely unnecessary from a tactical standpoint.

Kindatired · 19/11/2024 22:58

@Toomanywars
Do you think that we shouldn’t care about the innocent victims of 7/10 because bad things happen in war? It is you that mentioned WW2- were the concentration camps ok because bad things happen war? Should people just turn a blind eye to the bad things that happen in war?
“According to some experts… what is happening in Gaza has the characteristics of a genocide,” Vatican News. Are we supposed to say “Ah well, these genocides do happen, it’s a war, what do you expect….”

Your makes it sound as IDF civilians in Darfur, Sudan, Afghanistan and the Iccupied Territories and Lebanon are just dispensable. The lives of the people disposable to protect the Israelis from something that might happen in the future. You’re also assuming that none of us have worked or lived in conflict zones or that we have no background knowledge or experience.

Lalaloveya · 19/11/2024 22:45

Toomanywars · 19/11/2024 22:41

I'm not defending it. I'm saying wars are awful. All wars. Suddenly people finally realise this.

I think everyone knows that wars are terrible.

But Gaza isn't a normal war, hence the total horror of those watching what's happening.

Toomanywars · 19/11/2024 22:41

Lalaloveya · 19/11/2024 22:16

Don't you think it's unusual for around 70% of the dead in a "war" to be women and children?

It's also unheard of for an entire health system to be destroyed, and aid to be denied.

You're defending the indefensible.

I'm not defending it. I'm saying wars are awful. All wars. Suddenly people finally realise this.