This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 5)

“grossly exaggerated”, a top prosecutor at the international criminal court (ICC) has said.

I have often wondered if in many cases the Hamas ‘control and command’ presence in hospitals in Gaza consisted of severely wounded Hamas fighters, and some unwounded bringing them in. Hardly a reason to erase a whole hospital or leave ICU babies alone to die.

That mock up drawing of the underground control compound we were shown about a year ago as being underneath a major hospital never really materialised.

I feel like I read this same thought stream in some Parlimentary debate of centuries ago that was saying the same thing about slavery. That you will not find a country in the world without slavery and that’s it part of the human condition to always have a slave class…and don’t you know those barbaric Arabs treat their Christian slaves much worse….

So your throwback post is going to get the same thumbs down 👎🏿 that did.

“Claims ….may have been exaggerated..”

Doesn't imply that the claim = fact. A “claim” is by definition unverified and could be true or false. The comment that claims may have been exaggerated is really implying that the claims are likely false.

I don't understand what you mean by "bringing"?

I don't think that "nah" is a great response to the fact that colonialism is clearly at the root of a lot of problems in the areas you mention. Why don't you think it's relevant?

Imperial ideas, particularly nationalism and colonisation have a lot to do with the mess the region is in. I really don't think carving it up any more would benefit anyone.

High time to leave the "isms" behind.

The world's borders need redrawing.
By whom?

Do you know what would be better for Palestinians? If Israel would stop committing a genocide, that would definitely be a bonus!

What exactly are you trying to say?

Exaggerated implies they were based in fact, but numbers less than Israeli intelligence thought. It would be far better for Palestinians if Hamas didn’t hide in hospitals at all. Even better if they didn’t attack Israel in 7/10 but what do Hamas care about Palestinians?

Nah. It’s humans bringing humans. Another example: you’ll not find a Muslim country in the world where gays/ non Muslims etc are not persecuted minorities. People don’t like living with those different to themselves. Muslim countries take that to extremes of course. But try bringing a Jew in London nowadays, your children are targeted by non Jews.
The worlds borders need redrawing.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/dec/11/claims-of-hamas-fighters-in-gaza-hospitals-may-have-been-exaggerated-says-senior-icc-prosecutor

"Here in the UK". Colonialism is indeed at the root of a lot of modern conflicts and disputes.

That whole region is a mess. Borders cross through nations/tribal areas. It's a mess. The whole area needs to be divvied up again according to nations/religions/tribal allegiances.

People of differing religions/nations etc cannot live peacefully alongside. Never have been able to and never will. It's true even here in the UK. Northern Ireland for example. Or the Scottish hating the English. Or Cornish wanting independence. No tribes can live harmoniously with others.

Israel has occupied the Palestinian territories and the Golan Heights since the Six-Day War of 1967.

So judging by previous behavior it's probably fair to suggest a good while. They've not just invaded and occupied they have actively colonized and undertaken systematic ethnic cleansing.

And as posted up thread:

Benjamin Netanyahu has declared that the annexed Golan Heights “belongs to Israel for eternity.”

So if you think Israel is really just setting up a temporary buffer zone it's likely @Auvergne63 really is the tooth fairy.

So it's the people of Gaza's fault that Israel destroyed Gaza? Is that your point or am I misunderstanding?

I suppose I maybe naively hope so. I know the Israeli government doesn't feel that International Law applies to them but International law recognises the obligation to provide reparations for victims of genocide,war crimes and crimes against humanity. It may not be today or tomorrow but once the true devastation of this conflict has been laid bare for the world to see I would hope that eventually Israel would do the right thing.

Its a shame that Gaza never moved forward to an acceptance of a 2 state solution years ago. It's a crime that they were perpetually reliant on aid. No satisfactory solution meant hamas terrorists ran gaza, keeping taxes and allowing the billions in aid to keep the population, rathervthan they did it themselves. No reason or desire to change the status quo. Then the attack of 0ct 7th changed everything forever.

Do people expect any reparations. Do people believe any of this will be rebuilt. It doesn't feel likely

I saw this earlier today, really shocking stuff. Who is going to be expected to bear the cost of Israels decision to destroy everything? Imo there needs to be serious discussions about reparations from both Israel and the US, and anyone else who has facilitated this.

It's a fair point though. Taking anything Netanyahu says at face value is foolish at this stage. All he does is lie.

I was very sad to see this today too. Such a waste of life. And for what?

Was so sorry to hear this today. I know people who work with the charity that brought them over as kids and they are so upset by it. Makes it more real when you talk to people that know someone killed.

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2024/1211/1485909-palestinian-killed-in-gaza-ireland/

Echo chambers achieve nothing 🙄

What do you achieve by making things up. You actually have no idea how long the buffer zone will be required for security.

And I am The Tooth Fairy.