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Auvergne63 · 15/12/2024 19:44

EasterIssland · 15/12/2024 19:32

No shame

Absolutely beyond belief!

EasterIssland · 15/12/2024 19:32

No shame

This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 5)
MissyB1 · 15/12/2024 13:33

Part of Israel’s plan “to redesign the Middle East” no doubt. 😡

ScrollingLeaves · 15/12/2024 09:13

I saw about this latest doctor killing on the news the other night. What a great loss for the people who need him, and for all his family and friends.

Dulra · 15/12/2024 09:06

EasterIssland · 15/12/2024 07:16

This is an unconscionable situation now. Those able to save and treat the injured are getting killed but no not a genocide

MissyB1 · 13/12/2024 20:20

ScrollingLeaves · 13/12/2024 19:20

Well done, IDF, what military brilliance and bravery!
1 jihadist for 80 ordinary Palestinians. That’s how to hit a target.

Haaretz:

GAZA: An Israeli strike overnight into Friday on a post office sheltering Palestinians in central Gaza killed at least 30 Palestinians and wounded 50, medics told Reuters. The IDF said the attack targeted a Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader whom it did not identify by name, and accused the group of exploiting civilian infrastructure and population as a human shield for its activities. A later IDF statement said it was reviewing reportson the number of casualties.

Just been watching the report on channel 4. Horrendous 😢

ScrollingLeaves · 13/12/2024 19:23

Haaretz

ISRAEL: Israel's Chief Military Advocate General, Maj. Gen. Yifat Tomer-Yerushalmi,said at an Israeli Association of Public Law conference that there are people in the country "attempting to delegitimize prosecuting or even investigating offenses committed by soldiers during combat. This effort severely undermines the principles of gatekeeping, which are integral to our professionalism, our duty to the IDF, and the embodiment of the values of the military and our country."

Palestinian report: IDF fire kills 23-year-old with special needs near Hebron, West Bank

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ScrollingLeaves · 13/12/2024 19:20

Well done, IDF, what military brilliance and bravery!
1 jihadist for 80 ordinary Palestinians. That’s how to hit a target.

Haaretz:

GAZA: An Israeli strike overnight into Friday on a post office sheltering Palestinians in central Gaza killed at least 30 Palestinians and wounded 50, medics told Reuters. The IDF said the attack targeted a Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader whom it did not identify by name, and accused the group of exploiting civilian infrastructure and population as a human shield for its activities. A later IDF statement said it was reviewing reportson the number of casualties.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 13/12/2024 19:02

Israel still bombing children in Gaza last night, hoping no one is noticing.

Auvergne63 · 13/12/2024 15:48

Dulra · 13/12/2024 10:18

Perhaps the risk analysis was; we can leave them but there's a high chance they will be used against us or we can try to get access to destroy them safely but by the time that's agreed (if ever) they will have been removed elsewhere.

So the risk analysis was we will bomb them to ensure we protect Israelis from a hypothetical risk but put Syrians living in the area at definite risk due to bombing them (as outlined in the article I posted) nice.

You hit the nail on the head here.

Kindatired · 13/12/2024 12:41

I’ve done some Soveso incident training and “white powder” responses. Blowing up stuff is not a good idea and especially if you are not 100% sure what it is. According to Wikipedia , destruction involves five major factors: decontamination, decommissioning, dispositioning, demolition and administrative closeout. That sounds similar to the sequence of events when in our local authority moved a Soveso facility away from some apartment buildings a few years ago-a highly planned multiagency project.
These weapons were not actually in use at the time they were destroyed, without inspection we don’t know for sure what they were and we have no idea what the long term environmental impact will be. I’m not sure I’d eat a tomato or an orange grown nearby

quantumbutterfly · 13/12/2024 11:16

Daftasabroom · 13/12/2024 11:12

It's scarily simple to produce very toxic substances from everyday feed stocks. It's basic A level stuff, an undergrad would have no problem at.

Look at the thugs who manage to get hold of highly caustic substances to use against women and girls.

Not quite WMD.
Those with just enough knowledge to be dangerous would hurt themselves in their efforts.

Daftasabroom · 13/12/2024 11:12

quantumbutterfly · 13/12/2024 10:35

It is absolutely cutting edge technology, unless you rely on the internet for your info.

It's scarily simple to produce very toxic substances from everyday feed stocks. It's basic A level stuff, an undergrad would have no problem at.

Look at the thugs who manage to get hold of highly caustic substances to use against women and girls.

Daftasabroom · 13/12/2024 11:05

quantumbutterfly · 13/12/2024 10:39

Then you will know that the purchase of certain intermediates will create interest.
Rather like cyber fraud, you hope there are more white hats.

I'm not sure the Assad regime in Syria paid much attention to international norms and regulations.

quantumbutterfly · 13/12/2024 11:04

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 13/12/2024 10:58

I am better experienced, read and educated than you on this.
I have two masters degrees from senior military colleges gained during 20yrs of service in the armed forces.

Interesting. In light of your views.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 13/12/2024 10:58

quantumbutterfly · 13/12/2024 10:51

And you know this because.....

I am better experienced, read and educated than you on this.
I have two masters degrees from senior military colleges gained during 20yrs of service in the armed forces.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 13/12/2024 10:52

quantumbutterfly · 13/12/2024 10:39

Then you will know that the purchase of certain intermediates will create interest.
Rather like cyber fraud, you hope there are more white hats.

Most don’t need to be purchased via international trade. These aren’t rare like plutonium or enriched uranium that rile up Interpol and Five Eyes. These are cheap, common chemicals that a sovereign nation can build factories to produce. They are often used in many legitimate industrial processes as well.

The purchasing of large quantities by a private individual is monitored within a country due how low tech making chemical weapons are, so the threat of domestic terror attacks using such agents is high.

quantumbutterfly · 13/12/2024 10:51

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 13/12/2024 10:41

The chemical weapons that Assad had were circa 1980s at best.

And you know this because.....

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 13/12/2024 10:41

quantumbutterfly · 13/12/2024 10:35

It is absolutely cutting edge technology, unless you rely on the internet for your info.

The chemical weapons that Assad had were circa 1980s at best.

quantumbutterfly · 13/12/2024 10:39

Daftasabroom · 13/12/2024 10:32

Er, yeah.

Then you will know that the purchase of certain intermediates will create interest.
Rather like cyber fraud, you hope there are more white hats.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 13/12/2024 10:38

Dulra · 13/12/2024 10:18

Perhaps the risk analysis was; we can leave them but there's a high chance they will be used against us or we can try to get access to destroy them safely but by the time that's agreed (if ever) they will have been removed elsewhere.

So the risk analysis was we will bomb them to ensure we protect Israelis from a hypothetical risk but put Syrians living in the area at definite risk due to bombing them (as outlined in the article I posted) nice.

The hypothetical risk analysis is pretty wild. Israel has been bombing Syria intermittently for years with the excuse that the Assad regime was hostile to the existence of Israel. Syria didn’t use these weapons on Israel, so whatever risk there was wasn’t high enough for Israel to just decide to invade and destroy them in ‘self defence’ like it is now.

Now that the Assad regime has been overthrown by US funded and backed rebels, how can the risk of Syrian weapons being used on Israel have gone up? These are allies of the US and Israel that are now in control of Syria.

quantumbutterfly · 13/12/2024 10:35

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 13/12/2024 10:14

Well not that much finesse. It’s not exactly modern technology.

It is absolutely cutting edge technology, unless you rely on the internet for your info.

Daftasabroom · 13/12/2024 10:32

quantumbutterfly · 13/12/2024 09:15

You have experience of chemical synthesis?

Er, yeah.