This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 5)

I thought the BBC covered things well on the news last night. Reminding viewers of the horrors of the past 15 months. Highlighting the structural devastation, numbers of lives lost, particularly focusing on children and babies, the humanitarian crisis, civilian trauma and the millions displaced over and over. It was quite difficult seeing it all in one reel. Hard to comprehend it all happened in just over a year.

Apparently they've killed 40 people since the announcement of the ceasefire? They're horrible bastards.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/1/16/live-celebrations-in-gaza-as-israel-hamas-reach-ceasefire-deal

Here is an article by a Journalist at Pro Publica (who is accredited to attend State Department briefings).
https://www.propublica.org/article/biden-blinken-state-department-israel-gaza-human-rights-horrors?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twitter-thread

Basically as many people have said over and over again, the American government knew about the Israeli government's abuses and fully allowed the atrocities whilst protecting them.

"All year, senior leaders repeatedly disregarded their own experts behind the scenes. They cracked down on leaks by threatening criminal investigations and classifying material that was critical of Israel."

"At another point, leadership passed out NSC’s list of banned words to government employees working on reports and presentations: You can’t say “Palestinian residents of Jerusalem,” for example, instead use “non-Israeli residents of Jerusalem.”

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1879639764376461374.html

❤️ Right there with you Easter.

Trump "cares" about the Palestinians about as much as Netanyahu (aka not at all).

If he can keep focused on America at least the Palestinians (and all the other countries that have been bombed) can get a some peace and respite.

I'm watching videos from Gaza and they look so happy right now with a real chance of a ceasefire.

I'm praying Trumps base keeps him focused on Chicago and Florida instead of Gaza City or Jerusalem.

he might not regard it as war but Palestinians continue being under restrictions and from time to time innocent civilians killed. Before 7-10 Palestinians weren’t at war but they weren’t free either. That’s what I meant.

A good ending to this would be a 2 state solution with no more interference between both countries.

I don't think it will work, he was elected on the basis of no more pointless wars wasting American money and lives.

His base have been upset/angry over the billions sent to Ukraine and started protesting 2 years ago, which the Republicans responded to by agreeing and campaigning on no more money for Ukraine, blocking funding bills etc. After 7th October though they openly campaigned to send money to Israel. A lot of MAGA were like what's different? It's still our money/lives we don't want this either.
They were ignored and have been getting increasingly louder saying they're not willing to fight/die for Israel (whilst America falls apart look at California). Even worst (for the warmongers) they're encouraging their children not to join the military.

Also many MAGA influencers who claimed to be America First openly shilled for Israel and have lost their ability to "influence" the growing Israel is not in America's strategic interest group.

Trump has to appease this group as unlike Democrats who usually ignore disagreements and "vote blue, no matter who". MAGA will sit out future elections if betrayed/ignored.

Couldn’t agree more. However I’ve the feeling he’s going to push the ceasefire and then allow it to be broken or that land will be stolen / people killed and “nothing to see here”. There is a ceasefire thanks to me

Not sure how they can explain away hitting the area they have instructed civilians to go to for safety close to 100 times. It definitely does not demonstrate any attempts at limiting civilian casualties.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2jld7j50eo

Yes, read it. I haven't crossed those lines.

I repeat, how?

Read the IHRA definition of antisemitism. Ive posted it many times.

Racist? How?

Actually I agree with this.

Unfortunately I suspect a two state solution is probably now unrealistic. There are now something like 700,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank. The remaining Palestinians in the West Bank live under a brutal apartheid. The treatment of Arab Israelis in Israel clearly shows that Israelis have no intention whatsoever of treating Arab Israelis with any kind of equality. That's before the 7/10 atrocities and subsequent mass slaughter in Gaza.

Without wide international support, particularly from the US and the west, there is no motivation for Israel to offer Palestinians anything other than unacceptable dregs and continued oppression.

It's probable that in time Israelis will achieve their ambition of a greater Israel, Judah and Sumaria, from the river to the sea. This will come at huge cost to Palestinians but also in the long term to Israel. The hatred and anger will last for generations and Israelis will suffer for it.

Did anyone see this article in the Guardian the other day? It made me think of what @ScrollingLeaves posted from Haaretz. The soldiers are not only at risk of moral injury, but also litigation.

Why couldn’t Israel have stuck to a nice little list instead of unleashing all this, which has harmed not just the innocent people in Gaza, but also their own soldiers/citizens. Anyway, whatever the reasons for the soldiers behaviour, or the category you might put them into, in my opinion war isn’t an excuse for committing crimes, and there should be accountability.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/08/idf-restricts-media-coverage-of-soldiers-to-protect-them-from-risk-of-legal-action

If you click through to the Hind Rajab Foundation you can find a page where it lists the legal action they have taken.

Who is fgs? All I can see is people debating the right of self determination for Palestinian people and the illegal settlements. Two state solution is not a solution without a Palestinian state

Im not debating the right of self determination of the Jewish people in Israel.

If you undermine the legitimacy of the State of Israel then there is no two state solution
But this is not happening, the state of Israel is supported on the international stage. The only state at risk of never securing self determination is Palestine and the illegal settlements are part of that.

If you resolve things using internationally recognised standards of legality, human rights and fairness, as well as the geo-political needs of two states, then there's a chance of coming to a deal.
Absolutely agree with this but again the unconditional support Israel is getting from the big players in the international community are undermining the reality of this happening.

If people are motivated by the need to delegitimise the right of Israelis or Palestinians to self-determination, we should not humour them.
People's opinions are irrelevant, it is those at the table ironing out a deal that are important and they, in my opinion, are not motivated by the right of Palestine to self determination.

All Jewish people are not indigenous to Israel, i am sure you must know that?

The framing matters because it shapes how the conflict in the region will be resolved. If you undermine the legitimacy of the State of Israel then there is no two state solution. If you resolve things using internationally recognised standards of legality, human rights and fairness, as well as the geo-political needs of two states, then there's a chance of coming to a deal. If people are motivated by the need to delegitimise the right of Israelis or Palestinians to self-determination, we should not humour them.

Colonial settlers or illegal settlers the outcome is the same for the indigenous population. They are ethnically cleansed brutally displaced from their land and homes and denied all rights to return to it. One is a political movement which is structured at state level the other is an individual movement supported by the State and therefore complicit in it.