Yazidi Woman Rescued From Gaza

@RoadSidePicnic such a good post! Thanking you seems inadequate!

I see
So its now used as a way of shutting down debate?
Instead of shouting "anti semitism" at anyone objecting to the deaths of thousands of women and children in Gaza its now called "Blood Libel" instead?

Hope this helps.

https://honestreporting.com/cnn-producers-covering-israel-hamas-war-spread-blood-libels-denounce-zionist-entity-in-vile-social-media-posts/

Saying that the IDF is deliberately targeting Palestinian children in Gaza, we see it here all the time, is modern blood libel.

Horrible accusation to make but I have never seen that here.

Apparently it's an accusation that Jewish people used the blood of Christians in religious rituals, especially in the preparation of Passover bread, that was perpetrated throughout the Middle Ages and (sporadically) until the early 20th century.

Can't say I've seen it here but apparently it happens 'frequently'.

Whats "Blood Libel"?

How about because the rabidly anti-Israel posts (that frequently spread blood libel about the world’s only Jewish state) speak for themselves. The unjustified demonisation, the lies, the propaganda. It’s shameless. No other country (or people) is treated this way - turned into a monolithic symbol of all that is evil. Which is simply amazing when you consider al the other countries in the world with much worse human rights records.

The crime Israel is guilty of, in many poster’s eyes, is simply existing - and not as helpless victims, but as agents in charge of their own destiny. Because guess what?! Israel don’t attack others, they are the ones that are invaded - have wars of annihilation launched against them. Let’s check the record shall we:

The Arab-Israel War of 1948. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Fedayeen of 1948-1967. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Six Day War of 1967. Who was attacked? Israel.
The War of Attrition from 1967-1970. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Yom Kippur War of 1973. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Palestinian Insurgency in South Lebanon 1971-1982. Who was attacked? Israel.
The South Lebanon Conflict of 1985-2000. Who was attacked? Israel.
The First Intifada of 1987-1993. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Second Intifada of 2000-2005. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Lebanon War of 2006. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Gaza War of 2008. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Israeli Gaza Operation of 2012. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Gaza War of 2014. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Israel Palestine Crisis of 2021. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Israel Hamas War of 2023-now. Who was attacked? Israel.

Are you seeing a pattern yet?

Who are posters, the ones that pontificate and condemn, to say that Israel can’t defend itself when it’s attacked and is not allowed to a win war they didn’t start?

Are Palestinians worth so little in your eyes that the only reason anyone could possibly care about what's happening to them is because they want to have a go at a country they don't like (your words)

First of all, you don’t know what I think about Palestinians because I don’t view them as a monolith. Second of all, at least I pay Palestinians the respect of taking them at their word. So the fact that so
many Palestinians, Gazans and ones from the West Bank, have gone on the record to say “I want to eliminate Israel, I was to un-alive the Jews etc. etc.”, I believe them. Because I don’t see them as helpless babies without agency, and treat them as such. I don’t buy into to t he bigotry of low expectations…unlike some.

I’ll end on this then. Of the very pro-Palestine posters who “care only for human rights” (but say nothing of the human rights of Israelis and their right to peace and security) where are their posts that give equal weight to other, more bloodier conflicts. What is it about this conflict that has got to you specifically? Above all the others. 5.5M killed in Congo. 500K killed in Syria. 500K killed in Sudan. 400K killed in Yemen. 300K killed in Iraq. 250K killed in Afghanistan. One million Uighur Muslims held in concentration camps by you know who.

Can you please direct me to those threads? I would like to see them.

No I don't really know what you are trying to say?

Do think it's a good thing that Palestinians are documenting what is happening to them? Your answer in reply to my post asking this was to say 'everyone knows what bombs being dropped on a civilian area looks like'(as a side note I actually didn't, it's far more horrific than I ever in my wildest nightmares could have imagined) and to talk about how Hamas wants us to care and we are being played? I thought being 'played' was a bad thing but you are saying that we should continue on doing that?

Should they document what is happening or not? If not then who do you think will? Do you think it is important that the loss of at least 40,000 lives is documented? If they didn't film it, if they just wrote what was happening would they be believed?

I'm afraid you've just set me up with a few straw man arguments there. Of course we should all care about children being bombed, of course we should be better than terrorists, that wasn't my point as I'm sure you're aware. Back to work for me.

You called giving a shit 'being played'?

Sorry it wasn't you, the poster I quoted called giving a shit being played. Presumably she wants us to stop 'being played', it isn't usually used in a positive keep going kind of way.

Where on earth did pp say they don’t think we should care about dead children?
All they said is that Hamas doesn’t seem to care about them and is trying to weaponise they suffering for their own goals.

So you don't think we should care about the dead children, the ones with their límbs blown off or the ones moving from tent to tent with no sanitation etc because Hamas don't care? You want us to act the same as terrorists?

You also don't think it should be documented because 'everyone knows what happens when you bomb areas with civilians in'?

It's an interesting opinion for sure but not one I can agree with.

They helped rescue her from some hostage taking slave owning child raping bastards. What's your point?

I think everyone knows what happens when you bomb areas with civilians in.
I think what is unusual about this conflict is the utter indifference Hamas shows towards its own people. I think it's unusual to make absolutely no effort to protect your own civilians when you start a war. I think Palestinian suffering is being weaponised against Israel.
Hamas doesn't give a sht about its civilians. It wants you to give a sht so that you hate Israel. You're being played.

I don't know what the solution is. I don't know how to stop the generations of hatred on both sides. But hatred of Israel is part of Hamas's plan, and there can be no healing while there is hatred. Hamas has got to go.

Using the suffering of a group of people to have a go at a country you do not like is just beyond the pale.

What absolute unfounded rubbish. Not sure why you think you can make this claim about posters. Are Palestinians worth so little in your eyes that the only reason anyone could possibly care about what's happening to them is because they want to have a go at a country they don't like (your words). That thought process is beyond the pale.

The treatment of Yazidhi women and children is horiffic.
However, I hope that the treatment and rescue of this woman will not be used as propaganda, she is a real person who has been through something unimaginable not a pawn

No, you and the poster that you quoted were talking about the videos released of Palestinians suffering. Calling it propaganda to help Hamas. I'm asking if this wasn't done if their suffering wasn't filmed and released how would anyone know what was happening there. Drs accounts are dismissed here. Aid workers are all regarded as Hamas or antisemtic. If no one else is allowed in then how would we know what is happening? It's important that we know what is happening right?

I think you quoted the wrong post?

Yes I saw this. Appalling. Father kills innocents, including a three month old baby, in cold blood. Son kills innocents and almost succeeds in killing a 9 month old baby.

It’s an ideology that’s driving this. Not an unsettled “grievance”.

Women are not a minority.

Can I ask how you think anyone would know what was happening in Gaza if Palestinians didn't document it given Israels ban on international journalists and observers? Or do you not think that it is important that it is documented?

It films their misery and releases that misery online to garner support for itself and hatred for Israel.

100%. Support in the form of aid money is also their oxygen.

Hamas has spent billions in aid on tunnels (lots of Palestinian children used as slave labourers died building these), weapons, luxury hotel suites for its leaders and indoctrination camps that turn the next generation of children into fanatics who crave death rather than life, annihilation rather than hope.

But the Israelphobic posters on these threads who claim to care oh so much about the Palestinians who are seriously and profoundly harmed by this corruption and this abuse NEVER mention these facts do they. And why not? Because they do not really care about Palestinians at all. Using the suffering of a group of people to have a go at a country you do not like is just beyond the pale.

So sorry this thread has been derailed, again. Apologies OP.

She is actually regarded as a 'liberal centrist' but yes I agree with your sentiment re the far right and obviously anyone else who would share the appalling views of Meirav Ben-Ari.