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Yazidi Woman Rescued From Gaza

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rumblegrumble · 03/10/2024 18:23

Yazidi woman freed from Gaza in US-led operation after decade in captivity | Reuters

She was kidnapped when she was eleven years old, and has been enslaved for the last ten years.

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SharonEllis · 04/10/2024 19:19

ScrollingLeaves · 04/10/2024 18:53

This is from May. It is an excerpt from
U.S. Aid to Israel in Four Charts
from the Council on Foreign Relations. ( To see the difference from finding given by IS to other nations, see the charts.)

Since the start of Israel's war with Hamason October 7, 2023, the United States has enacted legislation providing at least $12.5 billion in military aid to Israel, which includes $3.8 billion from a bill in March 2024 (in line with the current MOU) and $8.7 billion from a supplemental appropriations act in April 2024
www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts

Inevitably its more now because of the conflicts. But its still military and doesnt come close to 'everything'.

ScrollingLeaves · 04/10/2024 18:53

SharonEllis · 04/10/2024 14:47

No, the US gives Israel about $4 billion in military aid which doen't even amount to 'everything' in itsmilitary budget (it was less than 20%) Israel's exports are worth over $165 billion & her GDP around $500billion. Israel is the 26th largest economy in the world & outperforms other ME economies because its a democratic free market

This is from May. It is an excerpt from
U.S. Aid to Israel in Four Charts
from the Council on Foreign Relations. ( To see the difference from finding given by IS to other nations, see the charts.)

Since the start of Israel's war with Hamason October 7, 2023, the United States has enacted legislation providing at least $12.5 billion in military aid to Israel, which includes $3.8 billion from a bill in March 2024 (in line with the current MOU) and $8.7 billion from a supplemental appropriations act in April 2024
www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts

MagdaLenor · 04/10/2024 16:53

Oh my god. "Blood libel". A Medieval antisemitic slur, reactivated by the Nazis.

SharonEllis · 04/10/2024 15:34

Hoppinggreen · 04/10/2024 15:19

And thank you for demonstrating my point far better than I could.
I condemn the deaths of innocent women and children therefore I "don't understand" and need to do more research apparently.
I will probably be told to educate myself shortly.

No, you said you didnt know what the blood libel and its history was and have gone on to mistakenly think it means any objection to the deaths of innocent women and children. Its up to you if you do furthet research on it, obviously, but at the moment, you are mistaken.

Oldseagull · 04/10/2024 15:32

CallMeMammy · 04/10/2024 08:33

I really don't understand why every thread like this has to descend into sniping at people who are appalled by what is happening in Gaza. Can you not just talk about how this is a positive thing without making fun of or making digs at people who are concerned about a humanitarian catastrophe? Of course it is great that this woman has been found, it is also appalling that over 6000 women have lost their lives in Gaza in the last year, both things can be true.

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I haven't seen that.

I have seen some posters immediately displaying a barely concealed indignant rage that anyone who isn't their chosen 'side' is thought of at all.

The quick flash anger that comes from cognitive dissonance being poked at is quite visibly noticeable.

If you find yourself annoyed or upset at any news story that shows human suffering, because it isn't the right humans, you should spend some serious time contemplating why.

Hoppinggreen · 04/10/2024 15:19

And thank you for demonstrating my point far better than I could.
I condemn the deaths of innocent women and children therefore I "don't understand" and need to do more research apparently.
I will probably be told to educate myself shortly.

Sussurations · 04/10/2024 15:14

However, calling any objections to the death of innocent women and children anti semitic or blood libel or whatever diminishes actual antisemtitism

In all seriousness I think you would do well to learn more about antisemitism and how pernicious it is. It is very interesting and enlightening, deeply sad of course, and gives perspective on attitudes and prejudices still held today by lots of people, many of them liberal-minded and ‘anti-racist’.

SharonEllis · 04/10/2024 15:14

Hoppinggreen · 04/10/2024 15:01

No need, I am well aware of anti semitism and how it appears in these Pro Palestine Marches and other places.
However, calling any objections to the death of innocent women and children anti semitic or blood libel or whatever diminishes actual antisemtitism .
I fully support the right of Israel to defend itself and condemn without question the 7th October attacks but I cannnot write off all those deaths of women and children in Gaza and beyond as collatoral damage as Israel and its supporters try to do far too often and 1 yazhidi woman being "rescued" as a happy but unintended consquence of the attacks on Gaza and other areas will not change my mind.
This post should be about a trafficked child (now woman) not about what heros the IDF are.

You literally had to ask above what the blood libel is - one of the oldest antisemitic ideas, which demonstrates thst you have done very little research and have very little understanding of antisemitism. And noone has ever said that 'calling any objections to the death of innocent women and children anti semitic or blood libel'. As for the rest of your post Ill leave others to jugde whether its a fair representation of the thread.

Hoppinggreen · 04/10/2024 15:01

SharonEllis · 04/10/2024 14:16

It is also a regular feature of cartoons & images on the 'Pro-Palestine' marches. Please try and listen to what people are telling you about long-standing antisemitic tropes. There is a ton of information out there for you to research.

No need, I am well aware of anti semitism and how it appears in these Pro Palestine Marches and other places.
However, calling any objections to the death of innocent women and children anti semitic or blood libel or whatever diminishes actual antisemtitism .
I fully support the right of Israel to defend itself and condemn without question the 7th October attacks but I cannnot write off all those deaths of women and children in Gaza and beyond as collatoral damage as Israel and its supporters try to do far too often and 1 yazhidi woman being "rescued" as a happy but unintended consquence of the attacks on Gaza and other areas will not change my mind.
This post should be about a trafficked child (now woman) not about what heros the IDF are.

Silence1 · 04/10/2024 14:56

Ilovetowander · 04/10/2024 08:48

Every country faced with terrorism has taken action . Israel is doing the same.

Well that's not strictly true they ignore it in their own country and one of their own in Govt is a convicted terrorist supporter, a democratically elected one at that.
Israeli security chief condemns ‘terrorism’ of militant settlers | Israel | The Guardian

Israeli security chief condemns ‘terrorism’ of militant settlers

Ronen Bar sparks row with letter to Netanyahu about actions of ‘hilltop youth’ being a ‘large stain on Judaism’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/23/israeli-security-chief-ronen-bar-hilltop-youth-west-bank

Whatsinanamehey · 04/10/2024 14:55

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That is a hateful lie.
And i will wave my Palestinian flag with pride
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SharonEllis · 04/10/2024 14:47

Whatsinanamehey · 04/10/2024 14:27

It is because they get a phenomenal amount of funding from the US to pay for everything.

No, the US gives Israel about $4 billion in military aid which doen't even amount to 'everything' in itsmilitary budget (it was less than 20%) Israel's exports are worth over $165 billion & her GDP around $500billion. Israel is the 26th largest economy in the world & outperforms other ME economies because its a democratic free market

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Dulra · 04/10/2024 14:34

RoadSidePicnic · 04/10/2024 14:28

You clearly didn’t read my post at all did you?

You do not understand what is going on today in the Middle East.

You do not understand the history of the conflict, and when someone tries to explain it to you, you don’t absorb it.

Let’s just draw this discussion to a close shall we? I cannot debate people who are intellectually dishonest.

Good day.

You're not reading mine. My initial issue with what you said was your claim that posters on this thread only care about Palestinians because they dislike Israel. Which I said was an unfounded accusation. I don't see anything in your further post to suggest otherwise.

I cannot debate people who are intellectually dishonest.
What is this supposed to mean?

RoadSidePicnic · 04/10/2024 14:30

stomachamelon · 04/10/2024 14:08

@RoadSidePicnic such a good post! Thanking you seems inadequate!

Thank you, you’re too kind.

Just holding the line against anti-Jewish bigotry and Israelphobia.

RoadSidePicnic · 04/10/2024 14:28

Dulra · 04/10/2024 14:21

I was initially responding to your unfounded allegations about posters on here and you are continuing in that vein with nothing to back it up.

The unjustified demonisation, the lies, the propaganda
Can you point me to these posts?

I also see you're resorting to "look over here" tactics, but none of those atrocities are being supported and financed by western governments. No one is condoning it.

You accused posters of only caring about Gaza because they dislike Israel, I objected to that and will continue to object to unfounded accusations about posters motives.

You clearly didn’t read my post at all did you?

You do not understand what is going on today in the Middle East.

You do not understand the history of the conflict, and when someone tries to explain it to you, you don’t absorb it.

Let’s just draw this discussion to a close shall we? I cannot debate people who are intellectually dishonest.

Good day.

Whatsinanamehey · 04/10/2024 14:27

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 04/10/2024 14:09

Israel don’t attack others, they are the ones that are invaded - have wars of annihilation launched against them.

And yet you never see an appeal for donations to the Israel Crisis. Funny little thing that.

It is because they get a phenomenal amount of funding from the US to pay for everything.

Dulra · 04/10/2024 14:25

SharonEllis · 04/10/2024 14:16

It is also a regular feature of cartoons & images on the 'Pro-Palestine' marches. Please try and listen to what people are telling you about long-standing antisemitic tropes. There is a ton of information out there for you to research.

The person was accusing posters here of blood libels they didn't reference what was and wasn't happening on marches. Is there evidence of posters on these threads spreading blood libels? Because it is a pretty serious accusation

SharonEllis · 04/10/2024 14:21

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 04/10/2024 14:09

Israel don’t attack others, they are the ones that are invaded - have wars of annihilation launched against them.

And yet you never see an appeal for donations to the Israel Crisis. Funny little thing that.

Israel looks after its population pretty well & is a highly developed economy with a functioning welfare state, but there are charities that work in Israel too, including those supporting peace & interfaith work.

Dulra · 04/10/2024 14:21

RoadSidePicnic · 04/10/2024 13:46

How about because the rabidly anti-Israel posts (that frequently spread blood libel about the world’s only Jewish state) speak for themselves. The unjustified demonisation, the lies, the propaganda. It’s shameless. No other country (or people) is treated this way - turned into a monolithic symbol of all that is evil. Which is simply amazing when you consider al the other countries in the world with much worse human rights records.

The crime Israel is guilty of, in many poster’s eyes, is simply existing - and not as helpless victims, but as agents in charge of their own destiny. Because guess what?! Israel don’t attack others, they are the ones that are invaded - have wars of annihilation launched against them. Let’s check the record shall we:

The Arab-Israel War of 1948. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Fedayeen of 1948-1967. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Six Day War of 1967. Who was attacked? Israel.
The War of Attrition from 1967-1970. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Yom Kippur War of 1973. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Palestinian Insurgency in South Lebanon 1971-1982. Who was attacked? Israel.
The South Lebanon Conflict of 1985-2000. Who was attacked? Israel.
The First Intifada of 1987-1993. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Second Intifada of 2000-2005. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Lebanon War of 2006. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Gaza War of 2008. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Israeli Gaza Operation of 2012. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Gaza War of 2014. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Israel Palestine Crisis of 2021. Who was attacked? Israel.
The Israel Hamas War of 2023-now. Who was attacked? Israel.

Are you seeing a pattern yet?

Who are posters, the ones that pontificate and condemn, to say that Israel can’t defend itself when it’s attacked and is not allowed to a win war they didn’t start?

Are Palestinians worth so little in your eyes that the only reason anyone could possibly care about what's happening to them is because they want to have a go at a country they don't like (your words)

First of all, you don’t know what I think about Palestinians because I don’t view them as a monolith. Second of all, at least I pay Palestinians the respect of taking them at their word. So the fact that so
many Palestinians, Gazans and ones from the West Bank, have gone on the record to say “I want to eliminate Israel, I was to un-alive the Jews etc. etc.”, I believe them. Because I don’t see them as helpless babies without agency, and treat them as such. I don’t buy into to t he bigotry of low expectations…unlike some.

I’ll end on this then. Of the very pro-Palestine posters who “care only for human rights” (but say nothing of the human rights of Israelis and their right to peace and security) where are their posts that give equal weight to other, more bloodier conflicts. What is it about this conflict that has got to you specifically? Above all the others. 5.5M killed in Congo. 500K killed in Syria. 500K killed in Sudan. 400K killed in Yemen. 300K killed in Iraq. 250K killed in Afghanistan. One million Uighur Muslims held in concentration camps by you know who.

Can you please direct me to those threads? I would like to see them.

I was initially responding to your unfounded allegations about posters on here and you are continuing in that vein with nothing to back it up.

The unjustified demonisation, the lies, the propaganda
Can you point me to these posts?

I also see you're resorting to "look over here" tactics, but none of those atrocities are being supported and financed by western governments. No one is condoning it.

You accused posters of only caring about Gaza because they dislike Israel, I objected to that and will continue to object to unfounded accusations about posters motives.

SharonEllis · 04/10/2024 14:16

Hoppinggreen · 04/10/2024 14:04

I see
So its now used as a way of shutting down debate?
Instead of shouting "anti semitism" at anyone objecting to the deaths of thousands of women and children in Gaza its now called "Blood Libel" instead?

It is also a regular feature of cartoons & images on the 'Pro-Palestine' marches. Please try and listen to what people are telling you about long-standing antisemitic tropes. There is a ton of information out there for you to research.

RoadSidePicnic · 04/10/2024 14:15

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 04/10/2024 14:09

Israel don’t attack others, they are the ones that are invaded - have wars of annihilation launched against them.

And yet you never see an appeal for donations to the Israel Crisis. Funny little thing that.

Perhaps you know what you’re on about. The ret of us don’t.

RoadSidePicnic · 04/10/2024 14:13

Hoppinggreen · 04/10/2024 14:04

I see
So its now used as a way of shutting down debate?
Instead of shouting "anti semitism" at anyone objecting to the deaths of thousands of women and children in Gaza its now called "Blood Libel" instead?

Yeah ok, or you could just intellectually engage with the arguments being put forward
(see my earlier post). What exactly is stopping you from doing that?

stomachamelon · 04/10/2024 14:11

@SerenityNowInsanityLater I am confused by what you are trying to insinuate.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 04/10/2024 14:09

Israel don’t attack others, they are the ones that are invaded - have wars of annihilation launched against them.

And yet you never see an appeal for donations to the Israel Crisis. Funny little thing that.