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Is the BBC anti Israel and/or antisemitic

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Newbutoldfather · 30/09/2024 11:43

BBC coverage ‘institutionally hostile’ to Israel, say Jewish groups

https://www.thetimes.com/article/a4aa31e2-0084-4bf4-bb33-b93d02917440?shareToken=e38d95867859d345f297becf90753213

As a secular Jew who recognises that the current Israeli government has made many mistakes and is arguably racist, I still do find the BBC’s coverage to be horribly biased against Israel.

It isn’t just the words they use but the tone they use, the juxtaposition of the words and images, errors off omission, and also the time allocated to either side’s perspective.

As an example, when Nasrallah was killed, there was about 5 minutes about how Israel had killed a major leader of the Axis of Resistance, delivered in a stentorian and sad tone, pictures of mourning Lebanese and lots on whether this wouldn’t push the conflict over the edge (with lots of powerful images of the bombing, crying women etc). There was then a very brief cut to the IDF statement with very little comment.

Both Orla Guerin and Jeremy Bowen have been accused of antisemitism many many times over the years, but they are knowledgeable, clever and slippery. And, most importantly, very litigious with licence payer’s money. It is very hard to nail them as, as I mentioned above, a lot of it is about juxtaposition, tone and only telling half the story (see link attached).

But maybe I am wrong? I would love to hear others’ opinions. Remember this is about BBC bias only, not your overall view on Israel or the ‘Axis of Resistance’.

BBC coverage ‘institutionally hostile’ to Israel, say Jewish groups

A report accuses the BBC of making ‘false and damaging claims’ about the Middle East conflict

https://www.thetimes.com/article/a4aa31e2-0084-4bf4-bb33-b93d02917440?shareToken=e38d95867859d345f297becf90753213

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MushMonster · 03/10/2024 07:22

I am not going to comment on the BBC itself, because I do not watch their news very often. These days I mainly read newspapers on the way in and out of work.
But I do see bias, one way or another, in most of the reports I follow indeed. I try to get some balance on what I read, but that is tricky indeed.

Charley50 · 03/10/2024 07:00

Just now on radio 4 Today, a man was able to talk about the awful fear and suffering of civilians in southern Lebanon without mentioning once that Hezbollah has been firing rockets at Israeli citizens since October 8th 2023, and Israel are finally retaliating and defending their people and their land. At least the presenter reminded him that Hezbollah are terrorists.

EasterIssland · 02/10/2024 21:40

HowardTJMoon · 02/10/2024 21:26

This is the current lead story on BBC new's homepage. Would you say this is pro-Israel, anti-Israel or neutral? For instance, it doesn't say "Israel's invasion of Lebanon leaves eight Israeli soldiers and uncounted Lebanese civilians dead", but nor does it say "Hezbollah murders eight Israelis". What do you think?

Compare it to these two titles . Who killed them?

bbc has been criticised for “hiding” Israel from its titles

I do agree they’re not pro Israel or pro Palestine. They might try their best and not do it right for anyone

Is the BBC anti Israel and/or antisemitic
Is the BBC anti Israel and/or antisemitic
HowardTJMoon · 02/10/2024 21:26

This is the current lead story on BBC new's homepage. Would you say this is pro-Israel, anti-Israel or neutral? For instance, it doesn't say "Israel's invasion of Lebanon leaves eight Israeli soldiers and uncounted Lebanese civilians dead", but nor does it say "Hezbollah murders eight Israelis". What do you think?

Is the BBC anti Israel and/or antisemitic
Charley50 · 02/10/2024 21:11

I don't watch BBC news but I listen to radio 4 and find it biased against Israel. I'm not Jewish or Muslim.

Iran's (and Hamas and Hezbollah) mission is to literally genocide Israel. But time and again people are not challenged when they come on the radio and claim Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza.

BBC for months reported Hamas figures as facts, when they were always grossly exaggerated or lies. E.g. when that hospital was bombed and it was just the car park that got hit, BBC reported that 400 people had died and later had to retract what they had reported so confidently. BBC rarely make the point that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields, or that actual urban warfare experts confirm that Israel much more care to avoid killing civilians than any other country engaged in urban warfare.

MissyB1 · 02/10/2024 20:47

If anything I would say BBC is more likely to be pro Israel, they tend to give a lot of weight to the Government's stance. Having said that I won't hear a word against Orla Guerin she's been a heroine of mine for many years - bit of a girl crush!

I watch channel 4 news as they definitely feel more independent. They are much more straight talking too, a spade is a spade!

CabbagesAndCeilingWax · 02/10/2024 20:42

I would have said yes, it's very clear that the BBC has a an obvious anti-Israel stance. However, in just the last couple of days, I've heard lots of very pro-Israel comment on R4.

(this makes me a bit worried that they're gearing up for the UK to become involved with Israel and the US against Iran)

SweetSakura · 02/10/2024 20:38

The BBC reported on pretty much each individual hostage and victim in those awful harrowing attacks a year ago. It really brought them to life and it was devastating to read about all the innocent lives full of promise cut short in such horrific fashion.

Yet when it came to the bombing of Gaza, bar a few individual reports, we just got numbers of deaths. Big numbers. But just numbers. There were people, children, behind those numbers too.

That often left me wondering about whether BBC has pro Israel bias.

But given the feelings to the contrary it seems it is probably about in the middle somewhere

If is saddening to learn about the horrors that don't get reported here

The whole situation is just devastating and I really hope somehow it can de-escalate because the alternative is harrowing for everyone trying to live lives in that part of the world

HappierTimesAhead · 02/10/2024 20:37

Sorry, I see someone already posted that interview.

HappierTimesAhead · 02/10/2024 20:35

YellowAsteroid · 02/10/2024 17:33

Perhaps other ME countries should stop trying to bomb the hell out of Israel.

The "Iron Dome" stops most rocket attacks, so we don't see the relentless attacks on Israel which have been going on for years.

And as for the BBC calling Hamas "described as a terrorist organisation by the British government" - Hamas and Hezbollah ARE terrorist organisations. Why is the BBC so reluctant to call a spade a spade?

Interesting interview with John Simpson explaining why the BBC does not describe terrorist organisations as such using it's own voice but will say that others describe them as terrorist organisations:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67083432.amp

Person holding gun standing on a tank

Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson

It's simply not the BBC's job to tell people who to support and who to condemn, writes the BBC's World Affairs editor.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67083432.amp

Nesbi · 02/10/2024 20:32

People who have very strong opinions one way or the other are the least able to judge bias.

People see lack of support for their view as bias for the other side, it’s human nature and it happens time and time again. The BBC works under incredibly difficult circumstances constantly trying to resist people on both sides of every conflict screaming at them that they are biased towards the other side. I think their reporters do an incredibly job under unimaginable pressure and at great risk to their own lives and wellbeing.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 02/10/2024 20:31

Newbutoldfather · 02/10/2024 17:44

@SerenityNowInsanityLater ,

‘Netanyahu had a responsibility to prevent this from happening to the Jewish people. He is absolutely at the helm of Israel's present existential crisis. Nobody has been more threatening and violent since October 7th than Israel.’

What would you have done is his place post 07/10? Having your people killed, raped and kidnapped tends to upset most national leaders.

It seems you’re suggesting that I’m against Israel defending itself. Not at all.
I am vehemently against Israel’s disproportionate and genocidal response to the October 7th attacks.

midgetastic · 02/10/2024 20:30

I guess if we don't have people illegally settling other counties , if we don't have our soldiers in other countries , regularly killing their citizens then we have less to fear from terrorists ?

When we did have a terrorist problem ( Northern Ireland ) we solved it eventually- by talking. Listening. Making compromises. Not by creating more people who hate us by killing their friends and families

GoatGetter · 02/10/2024 20:29

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 30/09/2024 11:47

They say what they see. Isreal should stop bombing the shit out of civilians all over the place then whining when it's talked about, and god forbid, objected to.

Exactly this

YoYoYoYo12345 · 02/10/2024 20:26

YellowAsteroid · 02/10/2024 17:33

Perhaps other ME countries should stop trying to bomb the hell out of Israel.

The "Iron Dome" stops most rocket attacks, so we don't see the relentless attacks on Israel which have been going on for years.

And as for the BBC calling Hamas "described as a terrorist organisation by the British government" - Hamas and Hezbollah ARE terrorist organisations. Why is the BBC so reluctant to call a spade a spade?

They appear scared to upset terrorists and their supporters.

Imagine if these terrorists were around our borders constantly firing rockets into the UK. Should we just suck it up. They want to destroy the good things in life.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 02/10/2024 20:22

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 30/09/2024 11:47

They say what they see. Isreal should stop bombing the shit out of civilians all over the place then whining when it's talked about, and god forbid, objected to.

You mean they shouldn't defend themselves and when Iran, Hezbollah the Houthis, Hamas etc attack they should just roll over and die.

Iran fund terrorists who are all over the middle east causing mayhem and you blame Israel.

smooththecat · 02/10/2024 19:16

You misunderstand how bias works. The BBC is unbiased across its output. When the news is that a major figure has been assassinated in a manner that breaks the Geneva convention, using bunker buster bombs in a civilian area, that is what the report is. There is no requirement to spend an equal amount of time in that report on the Israeli justifications.

redexrt123 · 02/10/2024 19:11

I don't think the BBC are as biased on the conflict as they are with the US elections (noticably anti-Trump - not that I care) or other media outlets (e.g. Al Jazeera). It is interesting though which conflicts they focus on - hardly mention the war in Sudan anymore - must have all been sorted when the British civilians were evactued.

midgetastic · 02/10/2024 19:10

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 02/10/2024 19:06

It isn't biased.

Israel has been a year in Gaza. It is way more than enough.

The UN considers Gaza to have been occupied for longer than a year because of yej control its troops have had over airspace , shoreline etc

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 02/10/2024 19:06

It isn't biased.

Israel has been a year in Gaza. It is way more than enough.

EasterIssland · 02/10/2024 18:50

Yalta · 02/10/2024 18:44

The current news does not make Israel look reasonable and that isn't the BBCs fault.

Given the events of October 7th I think it was a very reasonable assumption that there would be retaliation

What would be unreasonable would be if those that invaded, murdered and took hostages on October 7th didn't plan or expect a retaliation and then thought that using hostages and civilians as a shield would stop Israel from retaliating

I think sometimes people forget why Israel are bombing

Remember who put these people in the firing line of Israel

I think sometimes people forget why Israel are bombing

I think sometimes people forget who Israel are bombing-> innocent civilians

Yalta · 02/10/2024 18:44

The current news does not make Israel look reasonable and that isn't the BBCs fault.

Given the events of October 7th I think it was a very reasonable assumption that there would be retaliation

What would be unreasonable would be if those that invaded, murdered and took hostages on October 7th didn't plan or expect a retaliation and then thought that using hostages and civilians as a shield would stop Israel from retaliating

I think sometimes people forget why Israel are bombing

Remember who put these people in the firing line of Israel

MorrisZapp · 02/10/2024 18:29

Netanyahu and his staff are never off the BBC evening news. He gets to present his case in the first person and viewers can interpret his words as they see fit.

Hatfullofwillow · 02/10/2024 18:24

LetThereBeLove · 02/10/2024 18:12

I suggest you watch the BBC documentary about the massacre of Nova festival goers. Having watched testimonies of survivors (all young people like you would find at Glastonbury for example). I can quite understand Israel's response to Hamas in Gaza.

It's gone well hasn't it? Conservative estimates are that 6000 women and 11, 000 children have been killed, three hostages carrying white flags and more from Israeli bombing.

Is Israel any safer? Will it be when the next generation of radicalised Arab Muslim come of age.

User135644 · 02/10/2024 18:20

The Middle East is so entrenched in violence, bloodshed and historical conflict. The BBC has to be neutral. Those involved in the Middle East warfare don't do neutral. You're either with them or against them.

This explains the stick the BBC get from Israel.