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Is the BBC anti Israel and/or antisemitic

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Newbutoldfather · 30/09/2024 11:43

BBC coverage ‘institutionally hostile’ to Israel, say Jewish groups

https://www.thetimes.com/article/a4aa31e2-0084-4bf4-bb33-b93d02917440?shareToken=e38d95867859d345f297becf90753213

As a secular Jew who recognises that the current Israeli government has made many mistakes and is arguably racist, I still do find the BBC’s coverage to be horribly biased against Israel.

It isn’t just the words they use but the tone they use, the juxtaposition of the words and images, errors off omission, and also the time allocated to either side’s perspective.

As an example, when Nasrallah was killed, there was about 5 minutes about how Israel had killed a major leader of the Axis of Resistance, delivered in a stentorian and sad tone, pictures of mourning Lebanese and lots on whether this wouldn’t push the conflict over the edge (with lots of powerful images of the bombing, crying women etc). There was then a very brief cut to the IDF statement with very little comment.

Both Orla Guerin and Jeremy Bowen have been accused of antisemitism many many times over the years, but they are knowledgeable, clever and slippery. And, most importantly, very litigious with licence payer’s money. It is very hard to nail them as, as I mentioned above, a lot of it is about juxtaposition, tone and only telling half the story (see link attached).

But maybe I am wrong? I would love to hear others’ opinions. Remember this is about BBC bias only, not your overall view on Israel or the ‘Axis of Resistance’.

BBC coverage ‘institutionally hostile’ to Israel, say Jewish groups

A report accuses the BBC of making ‘false and damaging claims’ about the Middle East conflict

https://www.thetimes.com/article/a4aa31e2-0084-4bf4-bb33-b93d02917440?shareToken=e38d95867859d345f297becf90753213

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Fevertreelover · 03/10/2024 15:13

ellitheelephant · 03/10/2024 14:19

I'm not Jewish nor particularly pro Israel but yes, BBC is clearly biased against Israel (and in general has become more overtly left wing). They are no longer impartial and the licence fee should be scrapped.

Interesting as I would argue the opposite.

Fevertreelover · 03/10/2024 15:12

If you say anything against Israel you are anti-semitic so following that argument, then yes they are.

EasternStandard · 03/10/2024 14:38

Aaron95 · 03/10/2024 14:32

Is there any other media organisation which you think does?

No I usually take any media with their editorial viewpoint in mind

The BBC is different however as it is by licence fee and also claims to be impartial unlike others

Although I do find the world service better and if it were subscription I’d likely pay for that and R6 music

Aaron95 · 03/10/2024 14:32

EasternStandard · 03/10/2024 14:29

I don’t think it does try that hard tbh

Is there any other media organisation which you think does?

Hatfullofwillow · 03/10/2024 14:30

ellitheelephant · 03/10/2024 14:19

I'm not Jewish nor particularly pro Israel but yes, BBC is clearly biased against Israel (and in general has become more overtly left wing). They are no longer impartial and the licence fee should be scrapped.

Can you bring any actual evidence of these claims?

EasternStandard · 03/10/2024 14:29

Aaron95 · 03/10/2024 14:28

No organisation will ever be totally impartial. But the BBC tries a lot harder to be impartial than any other news organisation.

I don’t think it does try that hard tbh

Aaron95 · 03/10/2024 14:28

No organisation will ever be totally impartial. But the BBC tries a lot harder to be impartial than any other news organisation.

ellitheelephant · 03/10/2024 14:19

I'm not Jewish nor particularly pro Israel but yes, BBC is clearly biased against Israel (and in general has become more overtly left wing). They are no longer impartial and the licence fee should be scrapped.

candlewhickgreen · 03/10/2024 14:13

Hatfullofwillow · 03/10/2024 14:04

Well, yes. It's been making stuff up for a while.

Amongst many others was this by Luke Akehurst, former Israel lobbyist & current leading light of the JLM (although not Jewish himself)

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/press-regulator-finds-jewish-chronicle-guilty-of-multiple-breaches-of-editors-code/

Thanks for the article. They seem to have moved very hard right in the last few years though they still had prominent left wing writers who have now resigned. They have been found guilty of over 40 breaches in their reporting with several journalists simply making things up. Not knowing who owns them hardly helps.

candlewhickgreen · 03/10/2024 13:44

Hatfullofwillow · 03/10/2024 13:41

So Robbie Gibb, the front for the owners of the Jewish Chronicle, who sits on the board at the BBC and has responsibility for impartiality (he's the one who tried to block appointments on political grounds) is somehow overseeing anti-Israel bias in their news?

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jewish-chronicle-scandal-editor-robbie-gibb-b2613454.html

Hasn't the JC been found to be making stuff up about the conflict?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgnn153zg1o.amp

Hatfullofwillow · 03/10/2024 13:41

So Robbie Gibb, the front for the owners of the Jewish Chronicle, who sits on the board at the BBC and has responsibility for impartiality (he's the one who tried to block appointments on political grounds) is somehow overseeing anti-Israel bias in their news?

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jewish-chronicle-scandal-editor-robbie-gibb-b2613454.html

HelenHen · 03/10/2024 13:04

Newbutoldfather · 03/10/2024 12:07

I didn’t want to comment on the results until my poll closed.

But if -10 was pro Israel and +10 was anti Israel, the result is +1.6, or slightly anti Israel.

I still think it is worse than that over time, but that is the MN view.

Bear in mind I didn't vote because I believe the BBC is biased in general. There was no option for that

Hatfullofwillow · 03/10/2024 12:44

Newbutoldfather · 03/10/2024 12:07

I didn’t want to comment on the results until my poll closed.

But if -10 was pro Israel and +10 was anti Israel, the result is +1.6, or slightly anti Israel.

I still think it is worse than that over time, but that is the MN view.

It doesn't matter what you think, or what a poll suggests, if the actual evidenced research suggests otherwise. For all we know it could be Team Jorge or the Israeli-Egyptian bot farms at work again.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Jorge

Team Jorge - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Jorge

mouthpipette · 03/10/2024 12:42

It was a very reasonable question to ask as, for me, I'd already seen how the BBC's news coverage could be slanted. Their reporting of the second Gulf war became very Gung Ho once the conflict actually started and the coverage of Corbyn convinced me that BBC news could, if it wished, dismiss objectivity and follow an agenda.
As for the current conflict, I think with one or two exceptions, it's been pretty fair in that it's done its best to outline the horrors and their perpetrators. In addition to that it has attempted to give context. Its analysis has also, on the whole, been impartial, though there have been a few occasions when I have questioned this.

Just last week there was the headline on a Bowen piece ( now removed) that said West are powerless to influence Israel (or words to that effect ) which I believe to be a falsehood as it implied that we should just shrug our shoulders and let them get on with whatever they want. The west isn't "powerless".
Apart from that, Bowen has been OK. a bit waffly at times but generally gets it right. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he speaks arabic, which would be a hindrance.

It's very disturbing though, that Journalists have not been allowed into Gaza without being under strict supervision and disgraceful that so many journalists have been targeted and worrying that Al Jazeera has been prevented from having journalists in Israel. I know there's a war going on, but people might think that Israel has got something(s) to hide.

Newbutoldfather · 03/10/2024 12:07

I didn’t want to comment on the results until my poll closed.

But if -10 was pro Israel and +10 was anti Israel, the result is +1.6, or slightly anti Israel.

I still think it is worse than that over time, but that is the MN view.

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Hatfullofwillow · 03/10/2024 10:57

User37482 · 03/10/2024 07:47

There have actually been reports written on bias in the BBC so it’s not like no-ones noticed.

Yes there have. They've found their news to be biased in favour of Israel, as I referenced earlier.

They've also been found to favour Conservatives, Eurosceptics & Business.

https://theconversation.com/hard-evidence-how-biased-is-the-bbc-17028

Also, found biased against Corbyn in both Birbeck and LSE studies. https://theconversation.com/media-bias-against-jeremy-corbyn-shows-how-politicised-reporting-has-become-71593

It's pretty obvious that perception and reality are two very different things, as evidenced by the results in the poll in this thread.

Media bias against Jeremy Corbyn shows how politicised reporting has become

Repeated surveys show that most people think the media is biased against the Labour leader. And that’s a problem for democracy.

https://theconversation.com/media-bias-against-jeremy-corbyn-shows-how-politicised-reporting-has-become-71593

Newbutoldfather · 03/10/2024 09:52

@HelenHen ,

‘I'm struggling to find an untruth in that quote.’

Well, the truth, or otherwise, is a matter of opinion. It is when she decided to say it.

It would be the same as covering the Mecca pilgrimage and deciding to segue into a discussion about Islamist terrorism, totally inappropriate and showing your views.

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User37482 · 03/10/2024 09:28

EasterIssland · 03/10/2024 08:42

They also said lefties .. isn’t that generalising a bit too much ?

I said theres a difference between caring about civilians and mealy mouthed excusing of terrorism.

I didn’t say everyone on the left I said so many.

It’s like Iran, that time during the revolution where the communist got into bed with the Islamists and then got murdered by them. Theres a naivity on the part of much of the left is astounding. If these groups were christians they would have no problem identifying them as extremists, if the were Jewish, no problem as identifying them as extremist, present them with hamas, hezbollah and the houthis and they turn a blind eye to absolutely everything they do.

HelenHen · 03/10/2024 09:18

Newbutoldfather · 03/10/2024 08:29

@HelenHen ,

‘As a journalist you're not there to be liked, just reported. She doesn't pander to Israel. Does that mean she "hates Jews". Probably not. In her job it would be more than just a suspicion. It would be evident. You probably just don't like what she has to say.’

Ok, let’s look at some facts.

This was Orla Guerin’s comment after interviewing a holocaust survivor on the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz:

“In Yad Vashem’s Hall of Names, images of the dead. Young soldiers troop in to share in the binding tragedy of the Jewish people. The state of Israel is now a regional power. For decades, it has occupied Palestinian territories. But some here will always see their nation through the prism of persecution and survival.”

She has also claimed that there is no evidence Hamas are using human shields.

And, as long ago as 2004, this is what she said about the arrest of a terrorist who actually had explosives attached to his chest:

”cynical manipulation of a Palestinian youngster for propaganda purposes".

All of the above were officially complained about at the time, but the BBC stood by her.

How is any of the above reporting rather than giving her own biased narrative?

“In Yad Vashem’s Hall of Names, images of the dead. Young soldiers troop in to share in the binding tragedy of the Jewish people. The state of Israel is now a regional power. For decades, it has occupied Palestinian territories. But some here will always see their nation through the prism of persecution and survival.”

I'm struggling to find an untruth in that quote.

Palestinian territories | The Guardian

Latest news, sport, business, comment, analysis and reviews from the Guardian, the world's leading liberal voice

https://www.theguardian.com/world/palestinian-territories

Lettherebejustice · 03/10/2024 09:05

It says they have a different opinion to you.
From the results so far, the majority think the BBC is balanced.
38% think BBC is biased against Israel
22% think BBC is biased pro Israel

OrangeBlossomBlue · 03/10/2024 09:05

Very occasionally the BBC World Service will have some balanced reporting but as a whole the institution is to Jewish people and Israel as the Metropolitan Police are to people of colour.

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 03/10/2024 08:59

@Newbutoldfather , 62% believe that the BBC are either balanced in their reporting of Israel or positively biased in favour of Israel. What a joke! The BBC has been investigated in this respect and found to be biased AGAINST Israel. What does this say about the prejudice of that 62%?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 03/10/2024 08:49

I think there is adequate coverage of both perspectives. Part of the problem is that some of the far right Israeli government/IDF spokespeople come across so incredibly badly that they paint Israel in a very negative light, and the BBC probably gets blamed for the negative portrayal.

EasterIssland · 03/10/2024 08:42

upgradeyourchat · 03/10/2024 08:16

Why do you persistently twist people's words? She explicitly stated "fundamentalists".

And yes, some lefties subscribe to a very inflexible and binary anti-Western/capitalist ideology and see themselves as punching up, regardless if they're supporting or spreading propaganda for terrorist groups or murderous regimes like the Islamic Republic or Russia. They think they're being progressive and anti-racist, and nothing could be further from the truth.

They also said lefties .. isn’t that generalising a bit too much ?

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