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YoYoYoYo12345 · 2024-09-29T16:14:37+00:00

One country taking on so many terrorist organisations. Or is it so many terrorist organisations constantly attacking Israel. So many hate filled terrorists. Why don't they ever focus on their own people and a better life for them. Are they all raving mad.

Dulra · 30/09/2024 08:40

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:28

I don't know about you but I've got a job to go to! So see ya.

And I'm definitely not an Israeli spy , well last time I checked at least 👀.

And I'm definitely not an Israeli spy
Who said you were? Weird comment to make

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 08:28

SharonEllis · 30/09/2024 08:10

And where is that?

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Please tell me.

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:28

I don't know about you but I've got a job to go to! So see ya.

And I'm definitely not an Israeli spy , well last time I checked at least 👀.

Dulra · 30/09/2024 08:26

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Whose is this personal attack to?

Dulra · 30/09/2024 08:25

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:22

There are definitely more but you seem super focused on Israel.

Why is that?

I literally said why in my post:

Correct me if I am wrong but I have only heard the Israeli government claim the ICC and ICJ are not impartial.

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Auvergne63 · 30/09/2024 08:22

Dulra · 30/09/2024 08:15

Well it is a pretty scary space if those fighting the wars claim that those upholding and investigating the war crimes are not impartial and using it to justify why they are not abiding by the laws.

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Indeed. Yet Israel is still in the UN (a few days ago Netanyahu made a speech there to a nearly empty chamber as many delegates left and after authorising 80 bombs to be dropped in Beirut).
Let's not forget Israel signed up to the Geneva convention too.

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:22

There are definitely more but you seem super focused on Israel.

Why is that?

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 08:22

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:04

People the world over are seeing WAR in their faces for the first time, unfortunately it has ALWAYS gone on, the triggered ones are not reacting rationally - which I understand if you're about 16 but beyond that we ha e to accept as adults that war happens, it's awful and painful to contemplate but yes it happens

... and with regard to Israel don't provoke a conflict you cannot finish.
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Do not slaughter, rape and take hostages (inc babies !!) and not expect consequences.*

You have literally justified the killing of 43,000 Palestinians.

Dulra · 30/09/2024 08:20

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:18

I'm interested to know who you'd define as those fighting the wars?

But yeah good point, it IS scary.

I'm interested to know who you'd define as those fighting the wars?
Those that are fighting them currently who have been accused of war crimes - Russia, Israel, Hamas. There are probably more.
Correct me if I am wrong but I have only heard the Israeli government claim the ICC and ICJ are not impartial.

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 08:19

SharonEllis · 30/09/2024 07:03

@Martymcfly24 I think we can safely say that Hamas has a 'lack of caring' towards its citizens. Only someone who is a Hamas supporter would think otherwise and we are assured that there are none of those.

That makes as much sense as claiming Israel is the only country that cares for Palestinians.

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:18

I'm interested to know who you'd define as those fighting the wars?

But yeah good point, it IS scary.

Dulra · 30/09/2024 08:15

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:12

International law could be a whole other thread , the UN and ICC (among others) cannot be relied upon for impartiality.

I wish it were different.

Well it is a pretty scary space if those fighting the wars claim that those upholding and investigating the war crimes are not impartial and using it to justify why they are not abiding by the laws.

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:12

International law could be a whole other thread , the UN and ICC (among others) cannot be relied upon for impartiality.

I wish it were different.

SharonEllis · 30/09/2024 08:10

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 08:09

Wherever they were before they killed, expelled and stole the homes and land off the Palestinians.

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And where is that?

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 08:09

SharonEllis · 30/09/2024 08:07

So exactly where would you allow Israelis to live now?

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Wherever they were before they killed, expelled and stole the homes and land off the Palestinians.

Dulra · 30/09/2024 08:09

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:04

People the world over are seeing WAR in their faces for the first time, unfortunately it has ALWAYS gone on, the triggered ones are not reacting rationally - which I understand if you're about 16 but beyond that we ha e to accept as adults that war happens, it's awful and painful to contemplate but yes it happens

... and with regard to Israel don't provoke a conflict you cannot finish.
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Do not slaughter, rape and take hostages (inc babies !!) and not expect consequences.*

we ha e to accept as adults that war happens
War does happen and that is why we have had the Geneva convention setting out the humanitarian laws nations need to stick when fighting these wars, it is for all our protection, ensuring countries do that and calling out those that don't is not irrational

SharonEllis · 30/09/2024 08:07

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 08:06

It's simple, Israel withdraws from all the regions it has invaded and colonized since 1967. Israelis hand back the land and property they have stolen from the previous owners.

Then do the same back to 1948 borders, and then same again to pre mandate borders.

Reparations, by both sides, would be a bonus.

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So exactly where would you allow Israelis to live now?

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 08:06

SharonEllis · 30/09/2024 07:58

Not sure I understand. Where are you saying Israel's borders should be & where should Israelis live?

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It's simple, Israel withdraws from all the regions it has invaded and colonized since 1967. Israelis hand back the land and property they have stolen from the previous owners.

Then do the same back to 1948 borders, and then same again to pre mandate borders.

Reparations, by both sides, would be a bonus.

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:04

People the world over are seeing WAR in their faces for the first time, unfortunately it has ALWAYS gone on, the triggered ones are not reacting rationally - which I understand if you're about 16 but beyond that we ha e to accept as adults that war happens, it's awful and painful to contemplate but yes it happens

... and with regard to Israel don't provoke a conflict you cannot finish.
*
Do not slaughter, rape and take hostages (inc babies !!) and not expect consequences.*

Martymcfly24 · 30/09/2024 08:03

SharonEllis · 30/09/2024 07:29

Great, so we're all agreed that Hamas's lack of care for their own is a significant factor.

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Definitely a factor, the other factor is Israel is intently targeting and murdering civilians.
We all can agree that too.

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 08:01

Ilovetowander · 29/09/2024 23:48

Israeli citizen were attacked almost a year ago and that is what has caused this last year of conflict. Israel is a democratic sovereign state .

Please, please, please take the time to learn a little of the recent history of the region. This is conflict has been steadily escalating for well over 100 years and many of the protagonists during that time have no legitimate claim to influence or power in the region.

Start with the Crimean war, and it's causes, and go from there.

SharonEllis · 30/09/2024 07:58

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 07:52

How about if Israel and all Israelis withdrew to the pre 1967, pre 1948 or even pre mandate borders?

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Not sure I understand. Where are you saying Israel's borders should be & where should Israelis live?

Dulra · 30/09/2024 07:57

converseandjeans · 29/09/2024 22:57

@stormy4319trevor

To imply they are stupid to do so is offensive.

Well they are supporting a country which will not accept their lifestyle - gays in Palestine seem to be seeking asylum in Israel. So I don't understand why they would support a country which would tolerate them being abused over a country where they could live in peace & free from harassment?

Well they are supporting a country which will not accept their lifestyle

I just want to check are you suggesting that people should not show concern, empathy and support for a population if their values don't align with ours? We should watch them suffer? Thankfully many people the world over don't think or act that way and can show basic humanity for their fellow human beings.

Apologies if that is not what you mean but your posts do read like that.

Auvergne63 · 30/09/2024 07:57

Razilla · 29/09/2024 22:31

Why do you think that is...like really think about it??....It's because Hamas and Hezbollah don't care about the normal citizens of Gaza and Lebanon....they spend hundreds of millions of dollars each year ( money from Iran) on funding their leaders bunkers, tunnels and hotel rooms in Qatar, as well as all the weapons/ missiles/ rockets. They want to destabilise the region. Civilian casualties, especially now give them good press. And the left on the West fall for it. These groups are doing nothing but harm to normal people living in the ME.

Then look at Israel, who actually protects its citizens with the Iron Dome. Underground hospitals. Requiring all new houses to have a safe room etc...that is why there are fewer Israeli casualties!

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Don't forget to add the financial support Netanyahu happily gave Hamas for years. Funny how that fact is always overlooked.