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Conflict in the Middle East

Currently Israel are fighting Hanas in Gaza, The Houthis in Yeman and Hezbollah in Lebanon.

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YoYoYoYo12345 · 29/09/2024 17:14

One country taking on so many terrorist organisations.

Or is it so many terrorist organisations constantly attacking Israel.

So many hate filled terrorists. Why don't they ever focus on their own people and a better life for them. Are they all raving mad.

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Razilla · 29/09/2024 22:54

converseandjeans · 29/09/2024 22:45

@Dulra

We have been over this ad nauseam on these threads,

Sorry I have not seen this discussed previously. So I have obviously missed this. However surely we should be looking to find a way to free Palestine from Hamas control & Lebanon from Hezbollah control? I'm pretty sure lots of Lebanese women would like to turn back the clock to when they could wear what they liked & go out & about when they want.

Well, now it seems that Israel are single handily freeing the world from Islamic terrorists! But yes, I do think Britain and the US should be more vocally on their side. Beruit used to be the Paris of the ME!

MangeMonCochonnet · 29/09/2024 22:52

People like Owen Jones who would be willingly thrown from a roof to prove a point, utter fool.

stormy4319trevor · 29/09/2024 22:50

MangeMonCochonnet · 29/09/2024 22:49

Well then they're fools.

Who are fools?

MangeMonCochonnet · 29/09/2024 22:49

That was for Stormy

MangeMonCochonnet · 29/09/2024 22:49

Well then they're fools.

Razilla · 29/09/2024 22:48

Martymcfly24 · 29/09/2024 22:38

Then look at Israel, who actually protects its citizens with the Iron Dome.

America funded a huge part of the Iron Dome. Palestine would not have access to those level of funds so it's not really a lack of caring.

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Palestine is not a country. But Hezbollah in Lebanon received upwards of 700 million dollars directly from Iran ast year. If they wanted to protect their citizens, they could.

stormy4319trevor · 29/09/2024 22:46

@converseandjeans I think gay people understand that, firstly. there are gay people and allies in Palestine that need their support. Secondly, that humanity and principles are not transactional i.e. one stands up for one's beliefs without expecting something in return. To imply they are stupid to do so is offensive.

converseandjeans · 29/09/2024 22:45

@Dulra

We have been over this ad nauseam on these threads,

Sorry I have not seen this discussed previously. So I have obviously missed this. However surely we should be looking to find a way to free Palestine from Hamas control & Lebanon from Hezbollah control? I'm pretty sure lots of Lebanese women would like to turn back the clock to when they could wear what they liked & go out & about when they want.

MangeMonCochonnet · 29/09/2024 22:45

They tend to throw them off roofs

Like most stéréotypes they're based in truth.

Daftasabroom · 29/09/2024 22:44

Razilla · 29/09/2024 22:31

Why do you think that is...like really think about it??....It's because Hamas and Hezbollah don't care about the normal citizens of Gaza and Lebanon....they spend hundreds of millions of dollars each year ( money from Iran) on funding their leaders bunkers, tunnels and hotel rooms in Qatar, as well as all the weapons/ missiles/ rockets. They want to destabilise the region. Civilian casualties, especially now give them good press. And the left on the West fall for it. These groups are doing nothing but harm to normal people living in the ME.

Then look at Israel, who actually protects its citizens with the Iron Dome. Underground hospitals. Requiring all new houses to have a safe room etc...that is why there are fewer Israeli casualties!

How much American money does Israel spend each year?

You haven't addressed any of my other points?

converseandjeans · 29/09/2024 22:39

@stormy4319trevor

From Wikipedia so unsure how accurate it is. I don't believe I am disrespecting gay people - just pointing out that Palestinian culture does not accept them.

Homosexuality in the Palestinian territoriess* is considered a taboo subject; lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBTQQ*) people experience persecution and violence.

Martymcfly24 · 29/09/2024 22:38

Then look at Israel, who actually protects its citizens with the Iron Dome.

America funded a huge part of the Iron Dome. Palestine would not have access to those level of funds so it's not really a lack of caring.

Razilla · 29/09/2024 22:31

Daftasabroom · 29/09/2024 21:01

Remember the seizure of Palestine by Western powers at the end of WW1?
Remember the mandate of 1920?
Remember the reallocation of Palestine by the Allied powers at the Yalta Conference?
Remember the war of 1948?

Remember that for every Israeli death over this time there have been 10 Palestinian?

Why do you think that is...like really think about it??....It's because Hamas and Hezbollah don't care about the normal citizens of Gaza and Lebanon....they spend hundreds of millions of dollars each year ( money from Iran) on funding their leaders bunkers, tunnels and hotel rooms in Qatar, as well as all the weapons/ missiles/ rockets. They want to destabilise the region. Civilian casualties, especially now give them good press. And the left on the West fall for it. These groups are doing nothing but harm to normal people living in the ME.

Then look at Israel, who actually protects its citizens with the Iron Dome. Underground hospitals. Requiring all new houses to have a safe room etc...that is why there are fewer Israeli casualties!

Daftasabroom · 29/09/2024 22:26

converseandjeans · 29/09/2024 21:58

You won't get much support for this thought process. I am concerned by the support from the west for extremist groups in the Middle East. Hamas & Hezbollah are terror organisations & they don't align at all with western values - they are anti-gay & treat women abysmally. So I am baffled that so many women support what they stand for.

Not a single person here has expressed support for Hamas or Hezbollah.

stormy4319trevor · 29/09/2024 22:17

@converseandjeans You are being very offensive to gay people.

Dulra · 29/09/2024 22:17

converseandjeans · 29/09/2024 22:15

@Dulra

There are Queers for Palestine groups who attend marches. It makes no sense.

Queens for Palestine NOT Queens for Hamas

We have been over this ad nauseam on these threads, showing support and solidarity with people from Palestine currently suffering huge deaths, destruction and displacement is not supporting Hamas.

Martymcfly24 · 29/09/2024 22:16

converseandjeans · 29/09/2024 22:15

@Dulra

There are Queers for Palestine groups who attend marches. It makes no sense.

Maybe they are members of the LGBTQ+ community who are against children being slaughtered.

converseandjeans · 29/09/2024 22:15

@Dulra

There are Queers for Palestine groups who attend marches. It makes no sense.

converseandjeans · 29/09/2024 22:12

@SharonEllis

In most cases, on these threads, they are insulated & protected by the Western values that they so disdain. Queers for Palestine etc.

Honestly it's like turkeys voting for Christmas 🤷🏻‍♀️

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTrightssintheeStateoff_Palestine

I struggle to support a regime which won't allow gays to live in peace.

Women's rights are not good either

Issues reported facing women in the Occupied Palestinian territoryy* are gender based-discrimination , as well as violence which includes child marriage, intimate violence, sexual harassment, rape, denial of medical and legal resources, psychological abuse and risk of sexual exploitation and abuse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womeninn_Palestine

Dulra · 29/09/2024 22:09

SharonEllis · 29/09/2024 22:03

In most cases, on these threads, they are insulated & protected by the Western values that they so disdain. Queers for Palestine etc.

Who on these threads disdains western values, who supports Hamas and Hezbollah? If there's a specific poster you're accusing name them because your sweeping accusations are incorrect and pretty offensive

stormy4319trevor · 29/09/2024 22:08

@herecomesautumn I don't think so. Palestinians, including children have been killed in their thousands before the war in Gaza. Israelis, a far fewer number, have also been killed. There was bloodshed long before this.

Martymcfly24 · 29/09/2024 22:07

converseandjeans · 29/09/2024 21:58

You won't get much support for this thought process. I am concerned by the support from the west for extremist groups in the Middle East. Hamas & Hezbollah are terror organisations & they don't align at all with western values - they are anti-gay & treat women abysmally. So I am baffled that so many women support what they stand for.

How do you feel about women who think Hamas and the other terrorist groups are evil but also think that the current military action in Gaza is also evil?

herecomesautumn · 29/09/2024 22:06

@Frontofgarden It's true though

If Hamas terrorists, plus the innocent Palestinians that spat on dead and dying Israelis and kept them hostage in their homes, would lay down arms and release the rest of the hostages, then further bloodshed could be avoided.

That's not disgusting, it's fact

Frontofgarden · 29/09/2024 22:03

SunnyZebra · 29/09/2024 21:39

It’s utterly devastating that Hamas won’t agree to a ceasefire that would prevent any more Palestinian children suffering like this. Unsurprisingly though given that they’re funded by a regime that executes its own people.

What ridiculous reasoning. You do realise that you are excusing the IDF shooting children in the head.. disgusting!

SharonEllis · 29/09/2024 22:03

converseandjeans · 29/09/2024 21:58

You won't get much support for this thought process. I am concerned by the support from the west for extremist groups in the Middle East. Hamas & Hezbollah are terror organisations & they don't align at all with western values - they are anti-gay & treat women abysmally. So I am baffled that so many women support what they stand for.

In most cases, on these threads, they are insulated & protected by the Western values that they so disdain. Queers for Palestine etc.

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