To understand the escalation in Lebanon, we must confront what Israelis are thinking

😂 OK then I'll humour you. Kindly link the classified CIA document showing the current capacity of Hamas

CIA

Is that what you meant @ToBeDetermined ?

Facts on the ground as provided by whom exactly

So, Hamas are terrorists and Hezbollah aren't? What's the difference?

So, Hamas are terrorists and Hezbollah aren't? What's the difference?

No, I believe the facts on the ground as to their military capabilities.

Because these statements are likely referring to not recognising all the illegal per the ICJ Israeli settlements that are within the Palestinian state defined by the 1967 borders as legitimate parts of Israel.

😂 really you believe Hamas, oh my gosh

You're purposely ignoring the numerous times they mention in the charter that they won't recognise Israel and never will, and will continue "resistance and jihad". Why is that?

They are recognising the 1967 borders between a Palestinian state and Israel.

Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.

They reserve the right to resist occupation until such time that there is a state along the 1967 borders.

Ofc, the way they are doing it is through terrorism, which is illegal and what makes them terrorists.

You're purposely ignoring the numerous times they mention in the charter that they won't recognise Israel and never will, and will continue "resistance and jihad". Why is that?

Israel withdrew out of Lebanon and got Hezbollah on their doorstep (in violation of security council resolution 1701 to end the 2nd Lebanon War)
Israel withdrew out of Gaza and got Hamas firing missiles and 7/10.

Not sure this precedent of withdrawal in the absence of a stong deal and ironclad security arrangements (like in Sinai) is quite the path to defending yourself. It won't lead to everyone sitting around the campfire and singing kumbaya together.

No. My comment reflects current Hamas agreements which state that they are not currently an existential threat to the State of Israel because they have agreed to the 1967 borders between Israel and a Palestinian State.

They are recognising the 1967 borders between a Palestinian state and Israel.

Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.

They reserve the right to resist occupation until such time that there is a state along the 1967 borders.

Ofc, the way they are doing it is through terrorism, which is illegal and what makes them terrorists.

@ToBeDetermined

www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

"Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras al-Naqurah in the north to Umm al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity."

"Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus."

"There shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist entity"

"Hamas stresses that transgression against the Palestinian people, usurping their land and banishing them from their homeland cannot be called peace. Any settlements reached on this basis will not lead to peace. Resistance and jihad for the liberation of Palestine will remain a legitimate right, a duty and an honour for all the sons and daughters of our people and our Ummah."

Etc etc etc

It doesn't sound like they're recognising Israel though, does it? Even their newest charter says Israel is Palestine 🤦🏻‍♀️ They reserve the right for "resistance and jihad". Let's not pretend it's a peaceful two state solution they're after.

In May 2017 Palestinian political and military organization Hamas unveiled A Document of General Principles and Policies (وثيقة المبادئ والسياسات العامة لحركة حماس), also referred to as the new or revised Hamas charter. It accepted the idea of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, i.e. comprising the West Bank and Gaza strip only,[3] on the condition that also the Palestinian refugees were allowed to return to their homes,[4] if it is clear this is the consensus of the Palestinians[5] ("a formula of national consensus"[6]); but at the same time this document strove for the "complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea",[2][6] and did not explicitly recognize Israel.[3] The new charter holds that armed resistance against an occupying power is justified under international law.[1][7]

The 'complete liberation of Palestine' equals the elimination of Israel as a Jewish state.
What else do you think 'From the River (Jordan) to the (Mediterranean) Sea' chant means? (Rhetorical question)

No. My comment reflects current Hamas agreements which state that they are not currently an existential threat to the State of Israel because they have agreed to the 1967 borders between Israel and a Palestinian State.

So according to you, Hezbollah are not terrorists and Hamas are not antisemitic. Are Hamas also not terrorists?

Maybe you didn't say it, but your post implied it.
The fact that you appear to dismiss my reaction to your post by accusing me of
"blindly agreeing with previous posters" is also telling.

I don't think they're twisting anything they are using language they feel is appropriate for what's happening, disagreeing with that is fine but suggesting they are living on another planet and twisting words is a poor way to try and make an argument.