IDF reports Nasrallah killed in overnight strikes

Netanyahu is not a terrorist. He is defending his country against an enemy that attacked him, and continue to attack him, who have sworn the destruction of his entire race. I, and many others, may not always approve of his methods but that does not make him a terrorist.

Thank you for saying that so clearly @rumblegrumble

I’m not sure some posters know about the casual, everyday Jew hatred that abounds across the Middle East (or in the UK for that matter).

They haven't necessarily decimated Hezbollah.

I was listening to a middle east expert on the radio earlier (apologies missed the beginning so didn't catch their name) but he was suggesting that there is some concern because nasrallah, was generally considered somewhat moderate, as hard as that is to believe, and the much more extremists could take over.

Nasrallah has been killed - and how many innocent civilians?

1700 innocents butchered on October 7, 2023.

By the organisations many of you seem to tolerate.

You should probably mention that to hezbollah - weird how they've dramatically underestimated their own causalities, you'd expect it to be the other way round.

Netanyahu is not a terrorist. He is defending his country against an enemy that attacked him, and continue to attack him, who have sworn the destruction of his entire race. I, and many others, may not always approve of his methods but that does not make him a terrorist.

How many of the 40,000 dead palestinians are hamas? There's little point discussing it if you don't have accurate figures - 40,000 dead terrorists is a good thing, 40,000 innocents is not. I am saddened by the death of anyone caught up in a war not of their making, which is why I am so pleased to see the celebrations of people happy they are free of that tyrant. I am not sure what Arabs have to do with it, unless you are suggesting all Arabs support hezbollah?

You have still not made it clear that you consider nasrallah a terrorist, or that you are happy he is no longer tormenting Lebanon? We can bleat on about semantics all you like but presumably you do consider hezbollah to be very bad people...?

It seems ‘terrorist’ is only reserved for the enemies of Israel and Western countries.

Why the quote marks?

Can you clarify do you see Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation?

What they allegedly have done is killed all of the most senior military figures in Hezbollah.

That and blown the balls off a good number as well.

@IAmASpoon Explain a bit more, if you genuinely are interested in the discussion. I thought I was fairly clear that I was referencing the fact that “thou shalt not kill” is central to Christian belief. Feelings about someone dying are an entirely different thing as is how you would express those feelings. I certainly am not trying to misunderstand you.

They haven't necessarily decimated Hezbollah. That means - literally - destroying one tenth of it. What they allegedly have done is killed all of the most senior military figures in Hezbollah.

I wouldn't celebrate what is happening, as such, that would seem ghoulish.

It is also concerning that all this might destabilise the region still further. The full consequences wait to be seen.

However, if this contributes towards reducing or stopping the attacks of Hezbollah on Israel, or reducing or stopping Hezbollah's stranglehold on Lebanon, those would be knock-on positives.

@Custardcream84 thank you for your posts. I have been in tears seeing children in Lebanon looking petrified and made homeless, sleeping rough in the streets because their homes have been bombed. It's good to know there are atleast a few people who care

The death toll is likely much higher because the strength of the bombs have probably left no discernible bodies or the bodies are buried in rubble.

Regardless you have stated that those civilian deaths are worth it. So to prevent another 40,000 Palestinian deaths do you advocate for someone to target Netanyahu in a residential area of Tel Aviv killing one thousand Israelis - civilians and soldiers alike and many children as likely his actions will kill
many more?

No of course you won’t - you would be outraged at the suggestion because you don’t see Arabs as humans with lives and families who love and live and mourn their loved ones.

I said that he is described as such because I am making the point that it’s semantics when I was accused of what about. How is Netanyahu welcomed into the UN while he bombs civilians in a sovereign state. He has caused the death of over 40,000 Palestinians in months and has displaced millions and starved a nation. It seems ‘terrorist’ is only reserved for the enemies of Israel and Western countries.

@Custardcream84
Nasrallah was in a bunker under civilian buildings. The Israeli government had a choice.

When the US killed bin Laden - they did not bomb a civilian area with bombs. They sent in US Navy seals in a high risk operation. A cost benefit analysis which counted an other country’s civilians as worthy as their own.

Nasrallah has been killed - and how many innocent civilians?

The total death toll from the past two weeks is reported - by Lebanon - as 'over a thousand'. For some reason they haven't specified how many were civilians and how many were hezbollah... but considering how extremely targeted the hits have been, it's fair to say the vast majority of causalities were the latter. So the total cost for completely decimating a terrorist network that has caused unimaginable pain and suffering over the past few years is a few hundred civilians at most (most estimates seem to be around 150). I would've thought most decent people would applaud that phenomenal achievement - think how much future pain and suffering has now been prevented.

Please clarify what you mean by "someone described as a terrorist leader"? Are you suggesting nasrallah was not a terrorist leader?! Presumably you are happy he is no longer tormenting Lebanon, or Israel...?

I'm no fan of Nasrullah, but my god the double standards of what is seen as acceptable is blinding

Well said! The total disregard of civilian deaths, civilian homes and the psychological terror inflicted on them is sick! So much hypocrisy. I can imagine there would be outrage if people were celebrating bombing in Israel's capital that was meant to target Netanyahu!

I didn’t do any whataboutery. I said the attack that many are celebrating that killed Nasrallah killed hundreds of innocents. You’re the one doing whataboutery because you are implying that the hatred you describe justifies this attack.

if I wanted to do whataboutery I would say what about the deep deep Arab hatred in Israel. And what about what Netanyahu has done to millions of Palestinians and Lebanese. Any logical person would call that the actions of a terrorist on a grand scale.

Israel knew of Nasrallah's location for months, some ministers opposed hit -- reports | The Times of Israel

They destroyed six residential buildings in a densely populated urban area of Beirut. They used 85 ‘bunker busting’ bombs. Did you not see the pictures??? Hundreds if not thousands of people lived there. There are huge craters in the ground.

Also you have ignored the deaths of innocents. Not a single comment of concern about that in 4 pages. Again I ask if this was in a capital city in the West - if say for example someone described as a terrorist leader was in a building in a London or Paris estate and that building and six others were annihilated how do you think it would be reported? And then ask yourself how do you think the Lebanese feel right now?

Interesting that in four pages not a single passing comment about the fact that Israel killed hundreds of people in a major capital city with huge crater forming bombs.

Im sick of this whataboutery which excuses the murderous terrorist scum of Hamas and Hezbollah, and overlooks the deep deep Jew hatred in the Middle East.

If the one individual was the head of a terrorist agency under the command of a hostile state, who had brought all of his terrorist friends to my country and subjugated and tormented us, I'd be pretty chuffed. If the assassination was achieved with quite such an astonishing lack of civilian death, I'd be falling to my knees in gratitude. And if the crater had previously been a weapons depot or terrorist base, I'd be marvelling at the beauty of the lovely new hole.

Where have you seen there were hundreds of deaths in the attack on Nasrallah? I have not seen that in any of the news I read, just that it was a meeting of Hezbollah officials, and that other Hezbollah members, and I think an IRGC member, were also killed, and I have not just looked at Israeli media.
Why assume that people who are happy at Nasrallah's elimination must be ignoring civilian deaths? I was not and am not aware that civilians had been killed; perhaps give people on this thread the benefit of the doubt, before jumping to conclusions that showing relief and happiness at the death of someone who has done unfathomable evil, must mean we are also callously ignoring the deaths of innocents.

Yes the words ‘towering’ and ‘martyr’ seem to be repeated

The press should remember he was the head of a terrorist organisation which exist to do just that, sow terror

"Not sure about murdered" meaning "I'm not sure about anyone who was murdered, but here is an example of someone who died". I can see how someone would purposely misunderstand what I was saying in order to justify ignoring the point I was attempting to make though. It's a common tactic on this board.