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IDF reports Nasrallah killed in overnight strikes

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Scirocco · 28/09/2024 09:17

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981g8mrl8lt

Nasrallah has been the head of Hezbollah for a long time and is/was very close to Iran. That's a heck of a blow to strike on Iran if confirmed.

Link to BBC live page.

Israel-Lebanon latest: Israeli military says Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah killed in overnight strike on Beirut

The Israel Defense Forces say they killed Nasrallah and other Hezbollah commanders in strikes on Friday. Hezbollah is yet to comment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981g8mrl8lt

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ToBeDetermined · 01/10/2024 20:00

mids2019 · 01/10/2024 06:53

It's interesting that no one has got out the genocide line for Lebanon yet as although there has been civilian death no one of more has said that the current war equates to anything like genocide. In fact there have been no international laws broken in terms of an international conflict. There have been no calls for the ICC to investigate what seem to be series of specific targeted attacks against a global terrorist network.

Hmm, the pager and walkie talkie attacks have been referred for investigation to the ICC and ICJ by the UN OHCHR as a “terrifying violation” of international law.
“Simultaneous attacks by thousands of devices would inevitably violate humanitarian law, by failing to verify each target, and distinguish between protected civilians and those who could potentially be attacked for taking a direct part in hostilities."
“Such attacks could constitute war crimes of murder, attacking civilians, and launching indiscriminate attacks, in addition to violating the right to life,” the experts said.
Humanitarian law additionally prohibits the use of booby-traps disguised as apparently harmless portable objects where specifically designed and constructed with explosives – and this could include a modified civilian pager, the experts said. A booby-trap is a device designed to kill or injure, that functions unexpectedly when a person performs an apparently safe act, such as answering a pager.
“It is also a war crime to commit violence intended to spread terror among civilians, including to intimidate or deter them from supporting an adversary,” the experts warned. “A climate of fear now pervades everyday life in Lebanon,” they said.”
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/09/exploding-pagers-and-radios-terrifying-violation-international-law-say-un

Frontofgarden · 01/10/2024 09:35

rumblegrumble · 01/10/2024 09:11

There may also be some embarrassment - and rightly so. We sent half the world to Afghanistan and Iraq and look what happened, Israel is making us all look pretty incompetent...

Israel is making other countries look incompetent?? Are you having a laugh? Israel is looking like an out of control terror state that is hellbent on killing as much as they can get away with! Much of the world is looking at Israel with disgust

rumblegrumble · 01/10/2024 09:11

mids2019 · 01/10/2024 07:03

I think people have become a little wary of terrorist propaganda recently and so the press are keeping away from hyperbolic statements from Jihadi supporters which is a good thing so far. I think there is a bitterness amongst some that they have seen Hezbollah so ruthlessly weakened so far and certainly without mass casualties that could have occured. Instead of as stabilising the region is there a possibility the defeat of Islamist terrorism in this scale could later the balance of power in the middle East for the better? How many left wing journalists refer on the brink of terrorists sympathy when trying to bring their own perspective to this war?

There may also be some embarrassment - and rightly so. We sent half the world to Afghanistan and Iraq and look what happened, Israel is making us all look pretty incompetent...

rumblegrumble · 01/10/2024 09:01

Custardcream84 · 01/10/2024 06:35

Yes and if an army invades your country and your land it is absolutely self defence to resist. It is justifiable in every single international law just like the French resistance and just like in Vietnam and in many other countries who have been invaded by an occupying force.

I hope everyone who is cheerleading this or is impassive towards this has a fraction of what they wished on the Lebanese and Palestinian people happen to them.

Yes and if an army invades your country and your land it is absolutely self defence to resist.

Oh good, we finally agree I see :)

EasterIssland · 01/10/2024 08:24

mids2019 · 01/10/2024 06:53

It's interesting that no one has got out the genocide line for Lebanon yet as although there has been civilian death no one of more has said that the current war equates to anything like genocide. In fact there have been no international laws broken in terms of an international conflict. There have been no calls for the ICC to investigate what seem to be series of specific targeted attacks against a global terrorist network.

there is yet no genocide happening in Lebanon. If Israel repeats the same they’ve done in Gaza there will be.

Dulra · 01/10/2024 08:07

mids2019 · 01/10/2024 06:53

It's interesting that no one has got out the genocide line for Lebanon yet as although there has been civilian death no one of more has said that the current war equates to anything like genocide. In fact there have been no international laws broken in terms of an international conflict. There have been no calls for the ICC to investigate what seem to be series of specific targeted attacks against a global terrorist network.

Why would they? Your post actually proves the point that the accusation of genocide and war crimes in Gaza are because of evidence for it not some flippant accusation with no evidence.

mids2019 · 01/10/2024 07:03

I think people have become a little wary of terrorist propaganda recently and so the press are keeping away from hyperbolic statements from Jihadi supporters which is a good thing so far. I think there is a bitterness amongst some that they have seen Hezbollah so ruthlessly weakened so far and certainly without mass casualties that could have occured. Instead of as stabilising the region is there a possibility the defeat of Islamist terrorism in this scale could later the balance of power in the middle East for the better? How many left wing journalists refer on the brink of terrorists sympathy when trying to bring their own perspective to this war?

mids2019 · 01/10/2024 06:53

It's interesting that no one has got out the genocide line for Lebanon yet as although there has been civilian death no one of more has said that the current war equates to anything like genocide. In fact there have been no international laws broken in terms of an international conflict. There have been no calls for the ICC to investigate what seem to be series of specific targeted attacks against a global terrorist network.

mids2019 · 01/10/2024 06:49

I suppose you could say if someone fires rockets into your country and promises your destruction.....best to stop them really.

Scirocco · 01/10/2024 06:45

Custardcream84 · 01/10/2024 06:35

Yes and if an army invades your country and your land it is absolutely self defence to resist. It is justifiable in every single international law just like the French resistance and just like in Vietnam and in many other countries who have been invaded by an occupying force.

I hope everyone who is cheerleading this or is impassive towards this has a fraction of what they wished on the Lebanese and Palestinian people happen to them.

I wouldn't wish even a fraction of this pain on anyone.

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Custardcream84 · 01/10/2024 06:35

Scirocco · 01/10/2024 01:58

It was not self-defence to murder my friends and colleagues. It was not self-defence to abduct and torture others.

It was not self-defence to herd innocent civilians into areas that were then bombed. It was not self-defence to desecrate the graves of innocent people. It was not self-defence to kill, maim and traumatise thousands of children.

It will not be self-defence to replicate that in Lebanon.

Yes and if an army invades your country and your land it is absolutely self defence to resist. It is justifiable in every single international law just like the French resistance and just like in Vietnam and in many other countries who have been invaded by an occupying force.

I hope everyone who is cheerleading this or is impassive towards this has a fraction of what they wished on the Lebanese and Palestinian people happen to them.

Scirocco · 01/10/2024 01:58

It was not self-defence to murder my friends and colleagues. It was not self-defence to abduct and torture others.

It was not self-defence to herd innocent civilians into areas that were then bombed. It was not self-defence to desecrate the graves of innocent people. It was not self-defence to kill, maim and traumatise thousands of children.

It will not be self-defence to replicate that in Lebanon.

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NumberNotRecognised · 01/10/2024 00:24

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Didn’t the elected government of Gaza, the terrorist group Hamas, INVADE Israel so Israel’s resistance to dismantle Hamas is absolutely justifiable and legal then no?

Hasn’t the terrorist group Hezbollah, who control Lebanon, been firing rockets at Israel since Oct 8th and has killed Israeli children? So Israel’s resistance to dismantle Hezbollah is absolutely justifiable and legal then no?

There would have been no civilian deaths in this conflict if Hamas hadn’t killed over a 1000 Israelis almost a year ago, and you have the audacity to say Israel is the aggressor?

I bet you believe Israel started all the wars waged against them since 1948 too?

rumblegrumble · 30/09/2024 23:52

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Ready to denounce hezbollah yet? To condemn their unprovoked and ongoing attack against Israel? Hamas' unprovoked and ongoing attack against Israel? Their habit of accidently putting their bases and weapons in civilian areas - over and over again? Nope? Then I take being called a monster by someone like you as a glowing compliment.

You seem determined to try and make it about skin colour, presumably as you can't pretend even to yourself that you have any sort of coherent argument so you have to make one up in some desperate attempt to convince yourself you're not just some scummy little racist who supports cowardly little 'men' who rape unarmed Jewish women, kidnap unarmed Jewish pensioners and murder Jewish babies. Doesn't work though really does it as anyone with even basic knowledge of the situation is aware that the indigenous population of the Levant (ie Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan, Syria - and yes - Israel) are basically the same race? And that race is not particularly brown...

Mebebecat · 30/09/2024 23:44

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Sorry what? Who are the brown ones?? Israeli and Lebanese populations are ethnically the same. Also Palestinians.

OrangeBlossomBlue · 30/09/2024 23:18

Netanyahu wouldn’t be my choice of leader but then it wouldn’t be my choice to need such a leader in the first place.

Israel needs ruthless leadership because its enemies are ruthless, cruel and unrelenting. Hiding behind their own infants.

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rumblegrumble · 30/09/2024 18:41

ToBeDetermined · 30/09/2024 17:09

I’m glad Nasrallah is dead. I am very unhappy at how it was done. Levelling residential buildings full of innocent civilians with 85 bunker buster bombs dropped with no warning, within a few seconds of each other will create so many angry, vengeful Hezbollah recruits that I think many of us will live to see the fallout from the decision to drop those bombs.

It was in my opinion a bad decision for the long term security of Israel.

It serves as an easy immediate ‘win’ to boost the nation’s morale and creates new headlines to distract from the ongoing pain of the hostages in Gaza & the daily protests of their families and supporters.

I would think this was the best way to achieve it with the very minimum casualties; as pointed out earlier, hezbollah themselves were only estimating civilian fatalities at a few hundred whereas independent authorities figured it was probably about 150 (this was a day or so ago, I haven't checked again today). Of course, it's hideous if even 150 civilians have been killed, but I would place the blame for that squarely at the feet of hezbollah. I actually find it really unfathomable how anyone else could be to blame tbh? They're the ones who sited their bases in residential areas after all - should we just allow terrorists to carry on murdering people at will if they have the foresight to set up shop in an apartment complex? Israel did warn people to leave ahead of time - and they did it after the pager attack so people knew they were serious. I think it's an extraordinary achievement and I can't imagine a way he could have been killed with any less harm to civilians. Can you? So the option would seem to be for Israel (and the wider world) to let him carry on murdering and essentially admit surrender to terrorism, or risk the death of some innocent people. Considering the number of innocent people who had been and continued to be at significant risk from the terrorists, I personally feel it was the right call. So it seems do very many who were living under his regime.

There will certainly be many angry little men who are hell-bent on revenge, but what's the answer then - just let the terrorists win for fear of creating new terrorists? The hope is that Israel have done so much damage that these wannabe avengers don't get a chance. It's a real shame hezbollah are continuing their unprovoked attack against Israel - and continuing to harm Israeli citizens. I find it very difficult to understand how on earth people can conclude they are not entirely to blame for every single death, be it Israeli or Lebanese.

Agree about Netanyahu though, I will be extremely surprised if he doesn't end up being found guilty of war crimes. Though - and I may be being far too generous - he might feel it worth it if he actually succeeds in significantly diminishing the threat to Israel.

ToBeDetermined · 30/09/2024 17:14

Netanyahu is not a terrorist. He is defending his country against an enemy that attacked him, and continue to attack him, who have sworn the destruction of his entire race. I, and many others, may not always approve of his methods but that does not make him a terrorist.

I agree Netanyahu is not a terrorist, but I think he might end up a convicted war criminal and not due to antisemitism but due to the fact his methods are not above reproach.

ToBeDetermined · 30/09/2024 17:09

I’m glad Nasrallah is dead. I am very unhappy at how it was done. Levelling residential buildings full of innocent civilians with 85 bunker buster bombs dropped with no warning, within a few seconds of each other will create so many angry, vengeful Hezbollah recruits that I think many of us will live to see the fallout from the decision to drop those bombs.

It was in my opinion a bad decision for the long term security of Israel.

It serves as an easy immediate ‘win’ to boost the nation’s morale and creates new headlines to distract from the ongoing pain of the hostages in Gaza & the daily protests of their families and supporters.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 29/09/2024 16:47

"someone described as a terrorist leader"?

Does suggest that you don't consider nasrallah a terrorist leader! Most of the world does!

He was a terrorist. Go look at his history. Vile creature. I don't mourn his death. That some call him a martyr and other terms that he is not worthy of is appalling.

Presumably you are happy he is no longer tormenting Lebanon, or Israel...? Or not?

Maybe tell us the great things he did for ordinary Lebanese?

Polka83 · 29/09/2024 15:31

And around 17,000 children have been killed in Gaza, not including the children maimed and orphaned. Do they not count ? @YellowAsteroid

Because people mourn the deaths of innocents at the hands of the IDF- that does not mean they support / tolerate either Hamas or Hezbollah.

ToBeDetermined · 29/09/2024 15:03

YellowAsteroid · 29/09/2024 14:32

Nasrallah has been killed - and how many innocent civilians?

1700 innocents butchered on October 7, 2023.

By the organisations many of you seem to tolerate.

The final death toll from the Oct 7th attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231215-israel-social-security-data-reveals-true-picture-of-oct-7-deaths

rumblegrumble · 29/09/2024 14:42

YellowAsteroid · 29/09/2024 14:35

Netanyahu is not a terrorist. He is defending his country against an enemy that attacked him, and continue to attack him, who have sworn the destruction of his entire race. I, and many others, may not always approve of his methods but that does not make him a terrorist.

Thank you for saying that so clearly @rumblegrumble

I’m not sure some posters know about the casual, everyday Jew hatred that abounds across the Middle East (or in the UK for that matter).

I'm sorry to say that I think a lot of people don't care - and too many actually wish it were more. I knew there was anti-Semitism in the middle east before Oct 7 but was absolutely shocked and horrified to see how much there was here in the UK, and it makes me extremely angry to see how underreported and ignored it is. Not just by the media but by the government, and even forums like this one. We very definitely wouldn't allow any other group to be treated like this.

MangeMonCochonnet · 29/09/2024 14:41

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 29/09/2024 14:22

What they allegedly have done is killed all of the most senior military figures in Hezbollah.

That and blown the balls off a good number as well.

Ouch 😂🙏🏻😇