How Hamas Uses Brutality to Maintain Power

I am not sure they have a huge amount of power to change it. Of course Hamas are awful. They are also no longer supported by most Palestinians I thought? But the more Israel kill the population, the less they are going to be super excited about supporting any government who Israel would get on with.
No one in their right mind would think Hamas are anything but awful. That can coexist with the fact Israel are committing genocide.

@IceCreamIsTheDream but that is a completely false scenario. Of course people would prefer to live under anyone under a non-conflict situation than in the middle of an active conflict, but (a) those should not be the two choices and (b) under Hamas was not actually happy scenario for most people. Hamas are oppressive fanatics. Your post suggests that Hamas was not complicit in what has happened when in fact it was

The Israeli government funded the establishment of hamas. Hamas serves Israel's interests and enables them to demonise Palestinians and kill civilians indiscriminately.

Of course we know Hamas are not little cuddly flowers. They don't treat their people well. But bloody hell would I choose to to live under Hamas than die by Israel's carnage. I'd rather hamas than the utter and can mplete devastation the Israeli's have caused. At least under Hamas the people had functioning hospitals, schools, jobs, clean water.

Israel have obliterated Gaza, raised it to the ground, brutally murdered, decapitated, blown children to bits. Israel have rained down pure terror on Gaza for more than 365 days in a row. Can you imagine the trauma. Unbelievable, unspeakable.amounts of trauma. How the hell.does a 5 year old, and innocent child, deserve to endure what they have over the last year.

Those little orphaned kids won't be thinking 'ah thanks Israel, we needed freeing from hamas'. They will be thinking 'we hate Israel now more than ever'. And those little kids who are witnessing the smell of death daily, who live in fear 24 hours a day every single day, who see their family members shot, maimed, murdered. They will grow up to seek their revenge on Israel. If it's not Hamas they join, it will be another similar group.

And because the west (mainly UK, Germany and USA) have been complicit and not helped Palestinians in any way, and have sold the weapons to Israel that have destroyed thier schools, hospitals, family and friends, the west (USA, UK, Germany and others) will also now be at greater risk and under greater threat.

Israel has unleashed hell on earth and no-one has stopped them. They have set themselves up to be future targets and for the UK, USA and.others to b future targets. The world.is now more divided than ever. This whole section of Mumsnet illustrates that.

I think there are very very few people that think Hamas are all sweet and nice. But the number of people blind to the evil of the Israeli government is shocking.

Hamas are nothing to do with helping Palestinians. Hamas are nothing to do with creating a Palestinian state. Israel's response to Hamas's pogrom was entirely predictable. Why would Hamas have inflicted such horror on the Gazans had they wanted anything positive to come out of it? Hamas are about spreading militant Islamism and destabilising the growing peace between Israel and the Arab nations.

I am suggesting that the people of Gaza need to find another way rather than Hamas
I have no solution but the
majority seem to be against violence

I actually think it may just change, Hamas and Hezbollah are both struggling. It may create some breathing space for those who want better.

Change has to come from within is far easier to say than achieve
Aid and help is fine if it reaches the people that need it and a ceasefire is in place
The perpetual cycle of violence and retaliation is getting people nowhere
an eye for an eye etc the whole region will end up blind !!

I imagine many Gazans would prefer stable governance and good services rather than people skimming their aid money to spend in Qatar and in the real estate market in Turkey.

I wish wholeheartedly that they will be able to live in peace one day. But their leadership has let them down for decades. Projecting strength has to be dropped in favour of quiet intense work on material gains. Hamas and Hezbollah being destroyed is the best thing that can happen to the region. I used to think those american Iran hawks were a bit bonkers, I saw the Iranian regime as awful and oppressive to it’s own people but I didn’t realise the extent to which it had proxies and how much damage it was doing to the institutions of those proxies.

I genuinely believe that those protesters in the west who support hamas or see them as resistance fighters are fetishising Palestinians. I don’t think they see them as people.

Change has got to come from within

It’s incredibly sad, I completely understand people protesting for Palestinian civilians, we should be concerned about the human suffering in Gaza. What I don’t understand is the support for Hamas or Hezbollah from some elements in the west. The question should always be “what have they done that has made their peoples lives better”. Are Gazans better off having Hamas in charge or worse off? Are the Lebanese better or worse off for having Hezbollah in charge?

There are anti-hamas Palestinians on twitter who have protested against Hamas and had to flee Gaza because of it. People seem to forget that Sinwar started off as head of the morality police he was known as the “butcher of Khan Younis” he gained that nickname for what he did to Palestinians not Israelis. He’s intelligent and very able but he’s a psychopath. I feel uncomfortable about people claiming that Gazans all support Hamas, they are an armed militia, I’m not sure that I would be brave enough to protest them, yet people have, it just hasn’t hit western media.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Gaza_economic_protests#:~:text=In%20July%20and%20August%202023,the%20poor%20paid%20by%20Qatar.

I’ve seen a lot of Lebanese blaming Hezbollah for bringing war onto their heads and anger at Iran. Genuinely worried they will suffer another civil war after the conflict with Israel is over.

I think some people see them as anti-imperialist forces so ignore their crimes against their own people. Some people see them as Islamic resistance so see them as projecting Islamic power in the region. It’s easy to support them when you have electricity, water, a house that isn’t just a pile of rubble and all your limbs intact and your children alive. Then yeah it’s easy to sit in your comfortable life cheering on these people who bring nothing but death and destruction to their own.

We rarely hear about how Hamas or Hezbollah use their own people as human shields from the BBC. We also rarely hear about the daily rocket attacks by Hezbollah. It’s as if they don’t happen according to British mainstream press.