Storyville BBC now Nova Music Festival

And this

www-timesofisrael-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.timesofisrael.com/key-idf-officer-reportedly-voiced-concern-about-nova-festival-but-was-told-to-ok-it/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#comments

I don't have access to the full article, but here's a different point of view regarding security.

That's right. Individual Gazan civilians came and took their human bounty (alive and also bodies) too whom they could then traffic to Hamas or Islamic Jihad for money or favours.

Yeah, of course not all people on the marches but there's a lot that's about total destruction of israel.
In the US, which doesn't have the same anti terrorism laws, it's been totally nuts

I watched a documentary on the massacre at Kibbutz Beeri. You see Hamas leading off an 82 year old woman to be executed. You see them leading off other civilians, including Kimneret Gat, the mother of Carmel Gat, to be executed.
You see then breaking into a house and executing a 92 year old man in his bed.
Even more concerning, is that you see ordinary Gazans entering the kibbutz to murder, rape and loot. In fact, some of the worst atrocities were conducted at this time
And this only what was directly filmed.
It doesn't excuse all that's gone on in Gaza but the absolute depravity of what happened that day explains a lot about the reaction.

I didn’t make a general, sweeping, prejudicial statement. I pointed out a fact—a fact you conveniently chose to ignore. The truth is that pro-Palestinian supporters around the world celebrated the massacre in Israel. They chanted, “Resistance is justified,” which refers to legitimising the murder of unarmed Israeli citizens, and “Globalize the intifada”, which calls for aggressive resistance against Israelis, Jews and institutions supporting Israel. These are hostile remarks. Now, whether or not you’d say that is antisemitism, i.e. a prejudice against or hatred of Jews, I do not know. But what concerns me more is that you believe that every one alongside you in those marches only disagrees with the actions of the Israeli state and doesn't have an anti-Jewish prejudice.

If you think your fellow pro-Palestinian brother and sister are of the same mindset as you, then I am about to shatter your bubble. Please look at their comments on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube because they enjoy discussing their attendance at these marches. They take pride in demonising Israel and Jews. They deliberately share propaganda and disinformation daily.

It’s all quite vile and counterproductive for the people in Gaza, but they sure are winning the media propaganda war. We've even got the BBC refusing to describe Hamas as a terrorist organisation. Legitimate resistance groups don’t butcher infants, abduct grandmothers, or brand children. They don’t use rape as a tactic to desecrate their victims. They don’t defile corpses and take their remains into another territory.

@GentleScroller your excellent post is very helpful and pretty much sums it up

I 💯 agree with everything you've said and I'm ashamed at the way people in this country have focussed on this one cause to the exclusion of all others with the scarf wearing cultural appropriation and the disgusting chants and marches

They need to take a look at a map and see how Israel is surrounded in all sides by people who want them dead

@HelenHen If you could try not to derail the thread, that would be most helpful. Thank you

But why aren't they condoning Hamas? Why is it always and only Israel that is being told to lay down arms? Israel is the Jewish state. To expect them to just give way to terrorism is totally unrealistic and antisemitic.

FGS anyone knows that she means EVERYONE and she's right.

I don't think the marches have polarised public opinion at all. In fact I have friends and family who attend, and who bring their children... because they are so upset at what is happening in gaza and they want to keep drawing attention to what Israeli government are doing and asking the governments to intervene. None of that is antisemitic. These people would not attend if they felt it was. These people know that it is the Israeli government that they are protesting against, not British Jewish people. In fact there are many British Jewish people at the march.

Your general sweeping prejudicial statement is not helpful.

Thanks for clarifying.

I agree, everyone should watch it if they can.

I know it was only meant to be about the festival but I also know the horror of what happened in the kibbutzim was even worse if that's even possible. I think at the end of the documentary there should have been some information given on what was found, shocking though it would be.

As a previous poster said, imagine if it was Reading. Any of our kids could have been travelling and been there.

May their memories be a blessing.

No, actually, I don't. That's why I've asked.

You know what she means fgs.

"Everything"?

I would like to say one more thing. I understand this thread is about the BBC Storyville documentary and the Nova Festival massacre, but a lot of you seem to be unaware that two of the victims who appeared in the film are in the UK and are publicly recommending we all watch it. There is a fundamental reason why they are doing this: because, like them, they feel the world never acknowledged or sympathised with Israel after the 7th of October attacks.

Our country allowed people to go onto the streets the very next day, praise Hamas for their actions, and openly celebrate the deaths of hundreds of Israeli men, women and children.

The subsequent pro-Palestinian marches in the UK and worldwide have successfully promoted a particular moral and political cause and point of view. They are not distinguishing the difference between anti-Jewish prejudice and legitimate disagreement with the actions of the Israeli state.

The truth is these marches have polarised public opinion and promoted violent extremism and hate speech against British Jews.

I, for one, will never stay silent about highlighting the rising tide of bigotry and racism directed at Jews that I see displayed every Saturday at the pro-Palestinian marches in London.

Finally made it through the film after stopping and restarting a few times. There are simply no words for such unimaginable evil. Wishing the survivors the best possible recovery and thinking of the bereaved and the loved ones of the hostages.

Just finished watching.

It's heartbreaking

Those poor people

And it wasn't just "Hamas"

There's plenty of room on this site to discuss hows, the whys the whos etc. This is a thread about the victims of Hamas on 7th October.

Surely we can keep this one on track?