Storyville BBC now Nova Music Festival

Is there a specific reason that you're making a thread about slaughtered festival goers about Palestinians?

There is a whole board where you can chat to the half a dozen regular posters who say what you are saying.

This thread isn't for that and you are dishonouring the memory of those poor slaughtered people, hunted down and murdered while they were at a music festival

Again, I will say that you are not walking for every person living through this unimaginable conflict. These marches show no empathy and sympathy with civilians in Israel affected by the 7/10 attacks or publicly show support for the release of the hostages held captive in Gaza for the past 12 months. You clearly can't distinguish the difference between anti-Jewish prejudice and legitimate disagreement with the actions of the Israeli state. If you could, then we wouldn't be having this argument. Just in case you didn't read my previous reply, your remark about attendees of these marches being Jewish doesn't make the marches automatically acceptable or legitimate to Jews and non-Jews alike. That is fallacious reasoning.

@GentleScroller I also answered you respectfully. I asked you a specific question. You said that those attending Palestine marches should also be attending the upcoming Nova march. I asked if you attend both too.
If you don’t then you would surely note the hypocrisy.

You said my use of the word ‘horror’ was unsuitable for the loss of life on October 7th yet thats exactly the word I used when speaking of Gaza? So I describe both as horrific but it’s not enough for Israelis?

The next paragraph addressed the deletion of my post. I didn’t direct that at you personally unless of course you see yourself in my assessment of those who cannot tolerate the written description of Palestinian injury, death and rape but are happy to have it mentioned when referring to Israelis. OP herself has done so. Do you not agree that it is peculiar?Nothing I said isn’t true so how is fact offensive when discussing one set of people but not another?

Hamas are not Palestinians. I don’t know why you are connecting the two. I don’t know how I speak of children and you default to Hamas. Only you know why.
Out of curiosity what are your thoughts on the IDF? The ones filmed raping that hostage for example? Do you think they are less human also?

When I watched the news on October 7th I was floored. Absolutely horrified. For what was happening and for what I knew was to come. What unfolded afterwards has changed me for ever more. This cannot go on and eventually we will all pay the price. If not us then our children.
Those who lost their lives on October 7th and those who continue to die are of equal value.
EQUAL value.

My reply to you was respectful, and I made it very clear that I am upset about the loss of life in Gaza. But don't make false accusations about my comments on this thread. Do I believe Hamas is less human and thus not deserving of moral consideration? Yes, I do. But I have never applied that statement to civilians living in Gaza.

See it's scary to me that you think Israel answers to nobody.

I didn’t see any posts where people made “sly digs at the peaceful protestors”. There were however posts which questioned how “peaceful” the marches really were and the motivations of those attending them. those points seem to have made you very uncomfortable.

Israel will stop only when she feels safe against the terrorists of Hamas and Hezbollah. Israel is not annihilating other countries. Give your head a wobble!

Indeed... focus on the victims... not the marches. There's plenty of threads for that

If you have proof of this, report it.

They? Why are you allowed to generalise like that?

Who is 'they'? You cannot label the people I know like that based on the actions of a few. You cannot take a group of people and lump them all into 'they'. Your prejudice is shining through.

Because Israel is currently invading and annihilating multiple countries.

The pro Palestine marches are just that. They are not anti Israel or antisemitic. If you want an anti hamas march, go to one. It is not up to you to demand which cause people get out and march for.

It's not antisemitic to ask Israeli government to stop killing women and children and bombing refugee camps and schools.

At what point do you say 'actually yeh, maybe Israel should stop now'? Is there a point?

Well said.

@GentleScroller So you attend Palestine matches as well as the one you suggest I attend? You are at all the matches for whomever they concern?

I note my post has been removed. Descriptions of widely available footage is more offensive than the events themselves.
lets watch footage of Nova but let us not READ about the deaths of Palestinians.
I suppose that doesn’t work when you are trying to dehumanise people. This is exactly how genocide happens. With your support and approval.

I am not a hateful person, and I can see that you are genuinely appalled and upset at the loss of civilian life in Gaza, as so am I. But describing the acts perpetrated by Hamas as acts of horror is inadequate. There should be no disparity between the loss of life in Israel and the loss of life in Gaza, but there is.

That is why many of us are suggesting that pro-Palestinian supporters watch the BBC documentary about the massacre at the Nova Festival to raise awareness of the lives lost in Israel. If, and I am not referring to, you can’t show empathy and sympathy with civilians in Israel affected by the 7/10 attacks and publicly show support for the release of the hostages held captive in Gaza for the past 12 months, you are not walking for every person living through unimaginable conflict.

I want people to stand up to antisemitism and join the memorial walk to remember all the victims of the 7th of October attack who were murdered by an ideology that hates Israel and Jews.

You make a perfect point. Attendees of these marches often refer to Jewish people being in attendance. That comment has been said to me on several occasions. Just because that is so doesn't make the marches automatically acceptable or legitimate. Walking for every person living through unimaginable conflict would have been the right thing. Whether intentional or not, the pro-Palestinian rhetoric has been a dominant force. Justifications for the massacre at the Nova Festival took less than 24 hours to appear on social media. The narrative and words of hate directed at Israelis, Jews and the hostages have not changed over the past 12 months. So that's why I question what these matches are genuinely about, and I doubt the sincerity of all who attend them.

it was a shocking programme - the way people were murdered while the murderers ran around shouting 'Allahu Akbar' . The grenades being thrown into that shelter where the people were sheltering. It was incredibly painful to watch. I've been to Israel before (for work reasons). I just can't imagine how these poor young people felt. Lambs to the slaughter. I can't see how terrorist groups like Hamas who act with such brutality will ever settle for peace.

You do realise don’t you that the marches are always on Saturdays, which is the Sabbath. Please don’t assume that the Jewish people who join them are in any way representative of or speak for the British Jewish community. They aren’t and they don’t. And their presence doesn’t mean that the marches aren’t antisemitic.
I mean, if there was a black person at a Tommy Robinson march you wouldn’t immediately say ‘hey everyone, look, Tommy and his followers aren’t racist, they’re just misunderstood.’

They were asking for it m'lud.....

Would it have made it better if only the kibbutzim residents were slaughtered and kidnapped?

I find this description not necessary on a thread where people feel pain over what happened

Try to focus on the victims