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Dulra · 10/09/2024 15:31

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 15:17

So basically nobody has any idea and everybody here is giving their preferred version of events.

No, not my preferred version of events, I posted a link to an Irish news headline this morning. You then quoted me with an Instagram link telling me the number of dead reported had changed. I went looking from reputable sources to find out more about the update and couldn't find any so went back to ask you for a link. I am only in favour of facts not any one person's version of events. If you have a link from a reputable source please share it.

AhNowTed · 10/09/2024 15:28

Jesus some folks are actually defending a 30 foot deep crater in a so-called humanitarian zone of flimsy tents, with ...but Hamas.

Lettherebejustice · 10/09/2024 15:24

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 15:17

So basically nobody has any idea and everybody here is giving their preferred version of events.

No.
Unless you think the BBC and sky news link I posted are my version of events compared to your unknown Instagram link which is your version.

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 15:24

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 14:55

There’s been no confirmation from any source of how many were civilians and how many Hamas operatives.

Yet you posted the number of dead without checking first?

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 15:20

BelleHathor · 10/09/2024 15:08

Absolutely not, I speak to Palestinians daily and also follow journalists in the region, the person that you mentioned has not been named by any reputable source. Plenty of posts on X/Twitter in the last hour by accounts with low follows and likes so appears co-ordinated. I also understand that there are specific units of the IDF tasked with appearing to be Palestinian in order to carry out missions and spread propaganda.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mista%27arvim

And all your sources of information and journalism are definitive, valid and propaganda-free. Sure.

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 15:17

Lettherebejustice · 10/09/2024 15:12

There has been no confirmation by the IDF that their 'intended targets' were killed either.

So basically nobody has any idea and everybody here is giving their preferred version of events.

Lettherebejustice · 10/09/2024 15:12

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 14:55

There’s been no confirmation from any source of how many were civilians and how many Hamas operatives.

There has been no confirmation by the IDF that their 'intended targets' were killed either.

BelleHathor · 10/09/2024 15:08

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 15:02

Interesting that you view the voices and experiences of Gazan civilians as propaganda when they’re crittical of Hamas.

Absolutely not, I speak to Palestinians daily and also follow journalists in the region, the person that you mentioned has not been named by any reputable source. Plenty of posts on X/Twitter in the last hour by accounts with low follows and likes so appears co-ordinated. I also understand that there are specific units of the IDF tasked with appearing to be Palestinian in order to carry out missions and spread propaganda.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mista%27arvim

Mista'arvim - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mista'arvim

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 15:02

BelleHathor · 10/09/2024 14:38

Have you got a reputable source? As the person you allege was killed last night has a similar name to someone who was killed in December 2023. Right now that Instagram post looks like propaganda.
https://x.com/angeloinchina/status/1735841910282195392

Interesting that you view the voices and experiences of Gazan civilians as propaganda when they’re crittical of Hamas.

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Zzippit · 10/09/2024 14:55

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 14:23

For one Hamas leader to be killed, 18 civilians must also die. I find this disturbing.
Hamas is not killing civilians; the Israeli government is. Hamas is not dropping the massive bombs on humanitarian camps. The IDF is.
I am sick and tired of the argument " They make us do it, by hiding there."
This is the type of argument befitting a playground.

There’s been no confirmation from any source of how many were civilians and how many Hamas operatives.

BelleHathor · 10/09/2024 14:38

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 13:51

The Gazan Health Ministry has now corrected the number of dead to 19, one of whom was Samer Ismail Khadr Abu Daqga, the head of Hamas' Aerial Unit,

Just a thought- maybe Hamas should stop endangering and killing civilians by hiding in designated humanitarian areas.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C_ullcbITYA/

Have you got a reputable source? As the person you allege was killed last night has a similar name to someone who was killed in December 2023. Right now that Instagram post looks like propaganda.
https://x.com/angeloinchina/status/1735841910282195392

x.com

https://x.com/angeloinchina/status/1735841910282195392

Dulra · 10/09/2024 14:35

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 13:51

The Gazan Health Ministry has now corrected the number of dead to 19, one of whom was Samer Ismail Khadr Abu Daqga, the head of Hamas' Aerial Unit,

Just a thought- maybe Hamas should stop endangering and killing civilians by hiding in designated humanitarian areas.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C_ullcbITYA/

Have you a link? I'm not sure what the Instagram link is

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 14:23

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 13:51

The Gazan Health Ministry has now corrected the number of dead to 19, one of whom was Samer Ismail Khadr Abu Daqga, the head of Hamas' Aerial Unit,

Just a thought- maybe Hamas should stop endangering and killing civilians by hiding in designated humanitarian areas.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C_ullcbITYA/

For one Hamas leader to be killed, 18 civilians must also die. I find this disturbing.
Hamas is not killing civilians; the Israeli government is. Hamas is not dropping the massive bombs on humanitarian camps. The IDF is.
I am sick and tired of the argument " They make us do it, by hiding there."
This is the type of argument befitting a playground.

PeasfullPerson · 10/09/2024 14:16

@Itoosurvive you can ask mumsnet as was suggested and have a polite discussion with them. However, they might not reinstate it, because you might have inadvertently written something offensive, or because they don’t have the knowledge and skills to understand the nuance of the particular discussion.

TimeTravellingTyrion · 10/09/2024 14:08

Itoosurvive · 10/09/2024 13:29

@TimeTravellingTyrion "You mean the ones about how Hamas have nothing against Jewish people and if they murdered Jewish people it's their fault for colonising them in the first please?"

Yeah I wonder why.

You've grossly distorted what I wrote and chosen to omit my caveats. I guess you've got a copy of it, so post it back up and I'll be happy to discuss it.

  1. Why would I have a copy of it?
  2. Why would I post something that had already been deleted and so must have broken the rules? So it can be deleted again?
Zzippit · 10/09/2024 13:51

Dulra · 10/09/2024 08:03

Yes horrific in a designated safe zone. News reporting over 40 dead

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2024/0910/1469245-middle-east/

The Gazan Health Ministry has now corrected the number of dead to 19, one of whom was Samer Ismail Khadr Abu Daqga, the head of Hamas' Aerial Unit,

Just a thought- maybe Hamas should stop endangering and killing civilians by hiding in designated humanitarian areas.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C_ullcbITYA/

ScrollingLeaves · 10/09/2024 13:34

Itoosurvive · 10/09/2024 13:29

@TimeTravellingTyrion "You mean the ones about how Hamas have nothing against Jewish people and if they murdered Jewish people it's their fault for colonising them in the first please?"

Yeah I wonder why.

You've grossly distorted what I wrote and chosen to omit my caveats. I guess you've got a copy of it, so post it back up and I'll be happy to discuss it.

Just ask mumsnet. They are good about pointing out specific sentences or ideas that are breaches and they explain why.

Itoosurvive · 10/09/2024 13:29

@TimeTravellingTyrion "You mean the ones about how Hamas have nothing against Jewish people and if they murdered Jewish people it's their fault for colonising them in the first please?"

Yeah I wonder why.

You've grossly distorted what I wrote and chosen to omit my caveats. I guess you've got a copy of it, so post it back up and I'll be happy to discuss it.

TimeTravellingTyrion · 10/09/2024 12:46

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You mean the ones about how Hamas have nothing against Jewish people and if they murdered Jewish people it's their fault for colonising them in the first please?

Yeah I wonder why.

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 12:23

@SharonEllis what are you thoughts on this latest bombing in a humanitarian camp?

ScrollingLeaves · 10/09/2024 12:05

Lettherebejustice · 10/09/2024 05:25

The IDF are scum. I don't have enough swear words for them. They see command centres everywhere. This time they spotted one in the middle of the night in a.... wait for it... A TENT! so in response (only logical action a
Ofcourse!) they only just went and bombed the displaced people sleeping there in the humanatarian zone. Craters SEVEN metres deep, where whole families have disappeared under the ground.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyx9znxl4eo

In a statement, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said aircraft had conducted “a precise strike on a number of senior Hamas terrorists who were operating within a command and control centre embedded inside the humanitarian area”.

A precise strike on a number of senior Hamas terrorists does not lead to three 7 metre deep craters and all those deaths, maimings and buryings alive.

They need English lessons.

Every place they bomb is pompously called ‘a command and control centre’ that they say is ‘embedded’ among civilians in humanitarian camps.

What do they mean? A tent? A room? A hut? Two Hamas men standing together? It is hardly going to be a Dr Who villain’s type hideout at this stage. So where is the precision of bombing a whole section of refugees?

It is just something they say.

ScrollingLeaves · 10/09/2024 11:49

anotherlevel · 10/09/2024 08:40

If you report your post and MN they should tell you why.

Yes, they are very good and also civil about that.

anotherlevel · 10/09/2024 11:08

40 bodies have been recovered. Imagine having to live like this every single day. These people are doing all they can to be heard and yet it just falls on deaf ears.

aje.io/ff0nhe

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 10/09/2024 10:54

Lettherebejustice · 10/09/2024 05:34

Most 'moral' army in the world strikes again! A few hours ago there were families sleeping there in tents. Now all that remains is this:

How anyone can still support Israel is beyond me.

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