Has enough been done to tackle incitement to genocide?

I heard on the news Hamas had confirmed they were but I stand corrected if I've got that wrong

If Israel don't know how to counter terrorism there are loads of countries with experienced counter terrorism units that would be more than happy to teach them how to help prevent terrorism and how to do so within International law.

I see there's some rustling in the EU about sanctioning Israeli ministers, but I don't think it will happen. Even if it does I don't think it will be much of a deterrent.

How do you "increase security" enough to stop suicide bombers? Would you suggest frequent stop & search of anyone who looks vaguely Arab? (Not pleasant for the over 20% of the Israeli population who are Arab.) Metal detectors on every street corner? Or what?

Why is Israel’s version of ‘self-defence’ the total destruction of another far less powerful peoples’ country in one case and theft or destruction of it in another, plus the killing of over 40,000 of its inhabitants, and maiming of twice that number, the majority women and children?

Let them do it as they’ll do what they want with America’s and our help, but don’t expect people seeing this war unfold to think more than 40 eyes worth of vengeance and theft for one eye is ok.

Whenever people say "well what else could Israel do?"
I always reply"wouldn't obeying international laws be a good start?"

You completely condemn settler violence and the illegal WB occupation but don't seem to link it to many of the issues in the area. Unfortunately your condemnation of it means nothing, it is state sponsored and supported so it's part of Israeli government policy. Yes Israel have the right to defend themselves but they also have a responsibility not to incite, which they do over and over again. I was glad to hear of the 11 Palestinians killed 9 were Hamas that demonstrates they can be targeted and limit civilian casualties the fact that they don't do this enough suggests they are also responsible for terrorism.

You talk about legitimate resistance and we know that suicide bombing is not legitimate but a lot of what the IDF do in the WB is not legitimate either so it becomes a race to the bottom with whatever resistance options you have. We keep getting reminded that Israel are a legitimate democratic nation but their actions do not hold true to that.

Ok, so I think we've established that resistance to oppression is justified and that suicide bombing and terrorism are not acceptable forms of resistance. This is good. I think not enough is being done to tackle incitement to genocide on all sides and its clearly a major proglblem. Including on the streets outside the ME where 'resistance is justified' was (and still is) regularly shouted in response to the genocidal attacks of 7 october.

FWIW, I answered your question. Which you didn't like so you chose to twist my words instead.

@SharonEllis you immediately and continue to make abhorrent accusations towards me which you have once again overlooked. That those who defend the rights of Palestinians are advocating violence against innocent civilians.

If you want a discourse, to immediately attack with unfounded accusations, will not get you very far.

Then they need to increase security in Israel. Surely that is clear? What they are doing is in clear violation of international law, there are no excuses for that. Other countries have threats too, they don't illegally annex land, deny people the right to self determination, systematically discriminate against them while exploiting their resources. They increase security on their own land, they arrest people and give them a fair trial.

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about me, while ducking the question. It was a pretty simple question. I have stated many times on the CITME threads that I completely condemn settler violence and that the WB occupation needs to be sorted out & that Palestinians in the WB have a right to self defence & to security. But Israel clearly has a right to defend itself against terrorists who enter its territory with the express purpose of killing civilians. Which is the issue here.

I agree, the ICJ were clear here, Israel need to end their illegal occupation, evacuate all of their illegal settlers from the West Bank and East Jerusalem, end their systematic discrimination of Palestinians, their illegal exploitation of Palestinian resources stop violating their right to self determination and pay reparations for the damages caused by the occupation.

It's quite clear what Israel should do, it has been laid out by the international court of justice just what Israel should do. There is no 'what else can Israel do', what Israel can do is what they should have done a long time ago, start abiding by International law and pay reparations to try and atone for the untold pain they have caused.

@BelleHathor agreed. I'm not going to even bother to continue to respond to people who can't acknowledge that it's not only Israel that has the right to self-defence, and are continuously affronted by even the mere mention of the Palestinians right of the same.

It seem international law only counts when it is in the favour of one party and disregarded when it protects the other.

No, not enough has been done when it's been clear to anyone just what has been happening and is still happening daily. Shameful.

@Lettherebejustice

It's been 11 months now, you won't get a cohesive response. All there will be are variations of accusations unrelated to what you said.
Of course you are correct that the Palestinians right to resist occupation is enshrined in International Law and that the Israeli Government is and has long been in violation.

@Lettherebejustice Well, the bit where you said 'The Palestinians have every right to resist the military occupation' which I think fairly explicitly suggests that you support the attempted suicide bombing which was the act of 'resistance' which Israel was reacting to.

Obviously not. I'm not sure what part of my post gave you the impression that I did for you to even ask?

No I didn't miss that at all. I asked you if you thought suicide bombings where people are encouraged to blow themselves & others to bits is a legitimate act of resistance.

When you mentioned ethnic cleansing, I thought you were referring to areas of MENA already occupied by Arab Muslims.

By genocide I thought you meant the stated objectives of Hamas and Hezbollah and what they want to do to Jews and other infidels.

I will just leave this here.

I can't believe that people are still trying to defend this aggression with the same old 'what else can Israel do?'

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/08/1153656

@SharonEllis did you miss the bit where i said 'resist military occupation'? Or do you just like to twist words?

Just to be clear, you believe suicide bombings against civilians are legitimate resistance? Remembering that in a so-called suicide bombing the bomber is killed. The Hamas/Hezbollah/Islamic Jihad/whoever leadership never conduct these attacks themselves, of course. https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-claims-tel-aviv-blast-as-attempted-suicide-bombing-vows-to-carry-out-more/
And, you think if Israel ended the occupation Hamas and Iran would cease their campaign to destroy Israel and kill all Jews? And that Israel would magically have security? The occupation will only end as part of a negiated process that ensures the security of both sides.