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Zzippit · 10/09/2024 16:52

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ToBeDetermined · 10/09/2024 16:47

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 16:18

Do you find it outrageous that Hamas terrorists congregate in designated civilian zones knowing that this makes the area a target? Do you find it outrageous that they deliberately endanger the people there because they want to maximise civilian deaths and injuries? Clearly that doesn’t bother you.

Terrorists in civilian humanitarian areas do not turn those areas into valid military targets. IDF keeps saying it does to excuse their targeting of civilian humanitarian areas, but that’s not what the law says as UN experts have been frequently reminding the world.

SharonEllis · 10/09/2024 16:44

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 16:30

It would be helpful for you to understand the difference between explaining and excusing a behaviour.

Dictionaries are available. Explaining is a factual thing. 'That rocket launcher can't go there because there is a big rock in the way'. Excusing is trying to make out that a choice was an inevitability when in fact there were other options. Putting a rocket launcher in a school is a choice, even if the area is densely populated. Making sure your rocket launcher is nowhere near your own citizens is an alternative, and most would think, preferable, choice.

ToBeDetermined · 10/09/2024 16:44

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 15:34

Got that from the Gazan Health Ministry, do you doubt their veracity?

? Where is the link showing you got that from the Gaza Health Ministry? The link you posted was to a video that alleges to show a woman arguing with Hamas who are trying to take her tent.

ToBeDetermined · 10/09/2024 16:41

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 15:02

Interesting that you view the voices and experiences of Gazan civilians as propaganda when they’re crittical of Hamas.

Your link isn’t to any source stating that the five air strikes using 2,000lb bombs (one of which could level a building) claimed to be aimed at 1 tent by IDF killed the Hamas aerial unit commander guy. Your link goes to a video alleged to be an argument between a woman and some Hamas guys trying to commandeer her tent.

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 16:30

SharonEllis · 10/09/2024 16:20

Unlike your posts equivocating on Hamas's responsibility because 'geography'.

It would be helpful for you to understand the difference between explaining and excusing a behaviour.

SharonEllis · 10/09/2024 16:20

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 16:18

I asked because your previous posts are not clear on the subject. That's all.

Unlike your posts equivocating on Hamas's responsibility because 'geography'.

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 16:18

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 16:08

So you find it outrageous to bomb a humanitarian camp?

Do you find it outrageous that Hamas terrorists congregate in designated civilian zones knowing that this makes the area a target? Do you find it outrageous that they deliberately endanger the people there because they want to maximise civilian deaths and injuries? Clearly that doesn’t bother you.

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 16:18

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 16:09

Clearly. Why do you have to ask? Don’t you?

I asked because your previous posts are not clear on the subject. That's all.

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 16:16

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Zzippit · 10/09/2024 16:09

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 16:08

So you find it outrageous to bomb a humanitarian camp?

Clearly. Why do you have to ask? Don’t you?

SharonEllis · 10/09/2024 16:09

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 16:07

Euh? No. Still waiting for your opinion on the bombing though.

Why ? Why do you need my opinion on this particular bombing that I have no particular knowledge of?

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 16:08

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 16:03

No, where was the suggestion that I did? Don’t be so silly.

So you find it outrageous to bomb a humanitarian camp?

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 16:07

SharonEllis · 10/09/2024 16:02

Ah, the 'geography' again.

Euh? No. Still waiting for your opinion on the bombing though.

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 16:03

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No, where was the suggestion that I did? Don’t be so silly.

SharonEllis · 10/09/2024 16:02

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Ah, the 'geography' again.

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 15:54

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BelleHathor · 10/09/2024 15:54

The BBC article is strange (I imagine they are quoting what the IDF told them) but again they mention a person who was killed in December (bolded):
They included Samer Abu Daqqa, head of Hamas’s aerial unit, and Osama Tabesh, head of the observation and targets department in Hamas's military intelligence headquarters, it added.

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 15:51

If you never click on Instagram links, you won’t know that this one was a secretly filmed (mostly voice) recording of Hamas operatives throwing a Gazan woman and her injured relative out of their tent so they could take it for themselves and have a meeting. In a designated humanitarian area.

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 15:51

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 15:34

Got that from the Gazan Health Ministry, do you doubt their veracity?

I was only questioning your facts checking. I don't post anything unless I have checked and double checked, least I end up posting untruths.
Do I doubt their veracity? No, the Israeli secret service deem them accurate as well as the UN and the Lancet. That's good enough for me.
No evidence of inflated mortality reporting from the Gaza Ministry of Health - The Lancet

Dulra · 10/09/2024 15:46

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 15:41

This link has revised the figure down to 19 killed.

Well how about that.

Why so goady? Not sure why you couldn't have done that to begin with rather than posting an Instagram link which I for one never click on. I was nothing but courteous to you. Irish news are still reporting 40 which is why I didn't initially see the revised figure of 19 from the bbc. Still 19 souls lost today and an horrific scary report of what civilians experienced during the bombing, nothing to be gleeful about here.

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 15:41

This link has revised the figure down to 19 killed.

Well how about that.

Dulra · 10/09/2024 15:36

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 15:34

Got that from the Gazan Health Ministry, do you doubt their veracity?

People just want a link to the updated information.

Dulra · 10/09/2024 15:35

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyx9znxl4eo

This link has revised the figure down to 19 killed. I am relieved the number is less than originally reported but I wish independent news reporters and observers would be let in so we can all have better faith in what is being reported.

Palestinians go through their possessions after an overnight air strike in southern Gaza

Israeli strike in Gaza humanitarian zone kills 19 - health ministry

The Israeli military says it struck “senior Hamas terrorists” operating there - a claim hamas denied.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyx9znxl4eo

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 15:34

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 15:24

Yet you posted the number of dead without checking first?

Got that from the Gazan Health Ministry, do you doubt their veracity?

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