Has enough been done to tackle incitement to genocide?

😂😂 such fun

You're just ignoring the screenshot then. And the other posts. Colour me surprised.

No - It’s not my job to provide
evidence to support your claims 😆

Can you not go back a few pages yourself? Here's one. Took me several seconds to find.

Again - it would be helpful to have the actual quote in context so that I can understand your objection.

I’m not clear what your point is here

But can you provide a quote? I haven’t seen the precise comment(s) and paraphrasing someone else’s words is very misleading

This article is being misinterpreted- which is understandable as it is not accurately representing the truth (propaganda?).

The WHO site tells us:

• The Gaza Strip had a high level of vaccination coverage across the population before the escalation of hostilities in October 2023. However, due to the impact of the conflict, routine immunization coverage (for the second dose of inactivated polio vaccine) dropped from 99 per cent in 2022 to less than 90 per cent in the first quarter of 2024, increasing the risk of vaccine-preventable diseases to children, including polio.
• The risk of cVDPV2 spread, within the Gaza Strip and internationally, remains high given gaps in children's immunity due to disruptions in routine vaccination, decimation of the health system, constant population displacement, malnutrition and severely damaged water and sanitation systems. The situation has also increased the risk of the spread of other vaccine-preventable diseases such as measles as well as cases of diarrhoea, acute respiratory infections, hepatitis A and skin diseases among children.

The only way Israel is facilitating the vaccination program is by agreeing not to bomb specific areas for specified periods of time so that parents bring their children for vaccination! They are not supplying the vaccine nor supporting the administration. UNRWA is one of those helping! And yes - the region will become a trouble spot for polio, so Israel needs this to happen.

What? Did you just erase all the Hamas rocket, incendiary bombs and suicide attacks from Gaza into Israel between 2006-2023? And the Israel Gaza war of 2014?

I am a shocked someone who purports to be against terrorism and a supporter of Israel would so blithely gloss over those decades of intermittent attacks and Israel’s strong counter attacks.

Less than a week before the Hamas attack on Oct 7th, 2023, Israel was carrying out air strikes on Gaza in response to Hamas setting aloft incendiary balloons.

And you think nothing would have happened over the past 11 months of it weren’t for Oct 7th? Some attacks would still have happened. There hasn’t been even a single month with no attack from one to the other. I agree another mass invasion like this one and the smaller one in 2014 probably wouldn’t have happened.

How is it twisting things? That's what posters here were saying.

It can't be genocide because they stopped the genocide for a few hours over a few days. It would be a laughable argument if it weren't so depraved.

@Limesodaagain blaming the deaths of thousands in Gaza as 'factual causation' is exactly that.

I didn’t see anyone “absolve Israel for their crimes” ?

“I only see this rhetoric stated so brazenly on mumsnet.” What “brazen rhetoric “? The idea that Iran and Hamas deliberately started this conflict and don’t care about the Palestinian deaths … is that the “brazen rhetoric “ you object to?
If not - please let us know - what is the brazen rhetoric?

Is that because you don’t agree with criticisms made by the UN reports? They are meant to have independent international commissions and are based on international law. I would say that they are simply holding Israel to account, as is the UN’s judicial arm- the ICJ.

The UN reports have also criticised Hamas.

I agree with the limits of UN, eg due to certain countries having vetos. Would be more democratic and fair if this wasn’t the case. If anything- the vetos have worked in a way to favour Israel? I wouldn’t say infantilise but gave them a free ride to continue their destruction of Gaza.

Each person is responsible for their own actions. Hamas for theirs and Israel for theirs. It is astonishing to see people on this thread absolve Israel for their crimes against the Gazans. I only see this rhetoric stated so brazenly on mumsnet.

It will not have much of a military impact, but it definitely sends a very strong political message.

It has reached a point where even the staunchest of allies can no longer turn a blind eye.

The first step in the right direction

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd05pk95j2xo

I think that’s a very twisted reading. You’re pretty good at mental gymnastics yourself

The posts suggesting that Israel are such nice guys because they've stopped bombing Palestinian children for a few hours to allow them to be vaccinated are really something. Amazing mental gymnastics going on.

In response to
“And says Iran has a share of responsibility too.” ( meaning - shared responsibility with Hamas)
You said
“Yes I agree as do the US and other nations providing military arms in this conflict”

I felt you were unfairly implying there was an equivalence of responsibility between Iran and the US .

Could you maybe point out what's strange in what I've said or do you just like personally attacking me

I never mentioned Iran I am well aware of Irans role and how they fund and support Hamas despots tend to stick together. I am not sure why you think that absolves the US and UK of their role.

Oh Dulra your desire to argue with me takes you to some very strange places.

It's not automatic you can choose to join or not being a nation is irrelevant. I'm a woman but not a member of my local women's group

I don't think getting into a whole argument about factual causation is wise, where do you start Oct 7th or before......

I was merely disagreeing with their suggestion that Israel has responsibility over the deaths they've caused.