Has enough been done to tackle incitement to genocide?

I didn’t say the current situation is OK. I am on record as saying I loathe Netanyahu and disagree with the Israeli policy in Gaza and the West Bank. But you are simply refusing to acknowledge why Zionists feel the need for their own majority Jewish country.

I think we might be able to guess why you don’t want to answer my hypothetical question - you are aware how it would look if you answered it honestly.

So the current situation is OK because in your opinion Palestinians haven't been persecuted in the same way as Jews. OK.

No I haven't answered the question around your fantasy scenario because I think it's pointless and offensive given that Gazans are experiencing a real life annihilation as we speak and ethnic cleansing continues in the West Bank.

Their grievance is not with Jews, per se

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Rubbish

You haven’t answered the question.

But no, it would not be the same, because Gazan Palestinians are not a separate race who have been persecuted and murdered throughout history when they tried to live peacefully in countries where they were not a majority.

I don't think hypothetical questions are helpful.

But in your scenario the Israeli population would end up in the position the Gazan Palestinians are in now. But you're OK with that?

I’ll be interested to read your response to the hypothetical question I posed in my other post.

I don't think Western governments should support any of them so long as they break international law. Treat them all the same, independent charity funding sure, help with an peace talks sure. Arming them and facilitating them, no absolutely not.

Saying we should arm this lot, it's unfortunate that the other lot will suffer and die because of that but what can you do, just isn't acceptable to me.

Let’s just assume a hypothetical situation. Suppose that countries such as the US and the UK stopped selling weapons to Israel and the surrounding Arab countries then collaborated to launch an outright attack with the declared aim of wiping Israel off the map. (I’ll be generous and refrain from adding "and killing all Jews", which is an avowed aim of Hamas and some other Muslim leaders.)

If that happened, would you support a proposal for the rest of the international community to support Israel and fight against the Arab coalition? Or would you be happy for Israel to be destroyed, leaving no majority Jewish state anywhere in the world?

But you don’t comment on the threat to Israel's existence.

Sure, you have made it clear that to you Israelis are more important than the 'complicated suffering' their government perpetrates against international law on Palestinians. I'm not sure why you feel the need to keep repeating it, it isn't possible to rephrase it in a palatable way. It is what it is.

That might feel distasteful to some people, to have to think about their own acceptance of that and what it means about how they weigh up the values of the lives in the balance. So it gets equivocated and deflected and denied.

Spot on.

Thanks @Scirocco you are so patient

What I’m not in favour of is leaving Israel to the mercy of the terrorist forces that surround it.

But I do see that it is very complicated and innocent Palestinians are suffering.

And supporting Israel which you are in favour of means that Palestinians are right now suffering every single day at their hands. The ICJ have been clear on that. If you can't see why that is controversial then there is nothing left to say is there really.

I don't think anyone wants to see Israeli suffer and I think most people would be more than happy to provide any aid the Israeli people need through charities independent of the government. If they need medical aid, chairites can help, if they need nutrition chairites can help, need help with housing in Israel for the people who need to leave the illegally occupied territories charities can help etc. There is no need to abandon the Israeli people but supporting, funding and arming a government that willfully breaks international law and systematically causes harm to millions of people shouldn't be an option.

His extremism is definitely a threat for everyone in the region

I don’t see why it’s controversial to point out that if the west withdrew its support Israel would face a threat to its existence from all sides.
Im not as one sided as you seem to believe. I understand that Netanyahu also has responsibility for this horrific situation . But some posters on here see things in very black and white terms .

I am beginning to think the greatest existential threat to Israel is Netanyahu. And

So we support a country that according to the ICJ are a great danger to other people? Priorise Israelis to the detriment of Palestinians. The ICJ were clear that Israel are causing great harm to Palestinians and you want us support them in breaking international law? I mean you are of course entitled to your opinion but you have to see why your wish to support a country in breaking international law and causing immense harm in doing so is a controversial one and will provoke a strong reaction.

“So no, militarily there is no existential threat to Israel and you are grossly exaggerating the danger that there is.” I genuinely hope you are right.
But Im not sure it’s a such gross exaggeration …. Hamas aim is to destroy Israel. Iran is a powerful country. If the West withdrew support from Israel ( as so many of you are proposing) then Israel would be in great danger .

Where have I minimised what Israel is doing? You keep accusing posters without providing evidence. You paraphrase in order to twist people’s meaning. It’s tiresome.

I've read your posts minimising what Israel is doing in Gaza so I don't think you're in a position to judge me.