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Lalaloveya · 10/09/2024 22:35

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 22:32

Please feel free to stop quoting me and asking the same question repeatedly if the responses are not to your satisfaction.

Maybe you shouldn't make charges against other posters if you aren't willing to back them up.

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 22:32

Dulra · 10/09/2024 21:18

I have, I don't see any disproportionate responses which is why I'm asking you what you find disproportionate you're the one that has made the claim. Hardly that strange to want evidence of accusations you've made about posters responses, not sure why you need to be so rude with your response to me.

Please feel free to stop quoting me and asking the same question repeatedly if the responses are not to your satisfaction.

Lalaloveya · 10/09/2024 21:32

A six month old baby was among those slaughtered in the strike on the humanitarian camp yesterday. I believe the news report I saw said that 5 members of that family were killed. Such savagery. Such waste.

ScrollingLeaves · 10/09/2024 21:31

The Jerusalem Post Twitter/X calls him a Hamas terrorist:

The Israel Air Force struck Hamas terrorists Samer Ismail Khadr Abu Daqqa, Ayman Mabhouh, and Osama Tabesh in a strike in Khan Yunis in the Gaza Strip.
https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1833413087652651408

x.com

https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1833413087652651408

Dulra · 10/09/2024 21:18

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 21:11

And I once again ask you to RTFT.

I have, I don't see any disproportionate responses which is why I'm asking you what you find disproportionate you're the one that has made the claim. Hardly that strange to want evidence of accusations you've made about posters responses, not sure why you need to be so rude with your response to me.

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 21:11

Dulra · 10/09/2024 20:01

However, the amount of projection and accusation going on here are truly disproportionate responses to what has actually been said.
What are your examples of truly disproportionate responses?

And I once again ask you to RTFT.

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 20:59

Scirocco · 10/09/2024 20:52

@Auvergne63 I think your English is really good, and conveys things far better than you give yourself credit for.

Thank you. Much appreciated.

Scirocco · 10/09/2024 20:52

@Auvergne63 I think your English is really good, and conveys things far better than you give yourself credit for.

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Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 20:51

Scirocco · 10/09/2024 20:40

An explanation can seek to understand how and why something has happened. An excuse is an attempt to say that whatever happened was ok.

Example:

"I was late home because I missed the last train." vs "It's not a big deal that I was late home because it's not like we had anything special planned."

Thanks @Scirocco . As English is my second language, I can be clumsy at times and don't manage to convey what I really mean to say. It is so frustrating.

Scirocco · 10/09/2024 20:44

SharonEllis · 10/09/2024 20:42

IAnd this adds what to the conversation?

It's definitions of excusing and explaining, which seem to be getting discussed. Is there a problem with me posting? If so, please feel free to explain what that is.

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SharonEllis · 10/09/2024 20:42

Scirocco · 10/09/2024 20:40

An explanation can seek to understand how and why something has happened. An excuse is an attempt to say that whatever happened was ok.

Example:

"I was late home because I missed the last train." vs "It's not a big deal that I was late home because it's not like we had anything special planned."

IAnd this adds what to the conversation?

Scirocco · 10/09/2024 20:40

An explanation can seek to understand how and why something has happened. An excuse is an attempt to say that whatever happened was ok.

Example:

"I was late home because I missed the last train." vs "It's not a big deal that I was late home because it's not like we had anything special planned."

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SharonEllis · 10/09/2024 20:36

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Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 20:30

SharonEllis · 10/09/2024 18:31

Just because YOU might (revealingly) chose to lie in an explanation doesn't take away from the fact that factual information is pretty central to most people's understanding of what an explanation is. The first dictionary definition I find if I google is this: 'make (an idea or situation) clear to someone by describing it in more detail or revealing relevant facts.'

Have good evening.

Just because YOU might (revealingly) chose to lie
Thanks, but I’m not accepting unsolicited feedback on what type of person you believe I am, but I would like to know what was your intention with that comment and why you feel comfortable to repeatedly attack my character.

Dulra · 10/09/2024 20:01

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 19:17

No one is defending it. No-one is suggesting the IDF's actions are a proportionate response. However, the amount of projection and accusation going on here are truly disproportionate responses to what has actually been said.

However, the amount of projection and accusation going on here are truly disproportionate responses to what has actually been said.
What are your examples of truly disproportionate responses?

Zzippit · 10/09/2024 19:17

No one is defending it. No-one is suggesting the IDF's actions are a proportionate response. However, the amount of projection and accusation going on here are truly disproportionate responses to what has actually been said.

Scirocco · 10/09/2024 19:09

To bomb a 'safe zone' like that, and for people to defend that... Astaghfirullah.

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un. May the innocent people martyred find peace in Jannat al-Firdaus.

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Itoosurvive · 10/09/2024 18:35

I am reading the messages on this and the other threads and just cannot comprehend how anyone can think that Israel's response to the attacks of October 7th is anything other than disproportionate. Not only disproportionate, but more tragically, unnecessary. And I say all that, as a Jew.

SharonEllis · 10/09/2024 18:31

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 18:00

I suggest you use your dictionary then because explaining does not equal sticking to facts at all time. I can explain to you why I am late, this doesn't mean that I will give you the real reason why. I can explain to you why the sky is blue some days but I could be wrong in my explanation.
Excusing means to forgive someone or something.
But enough of semantics.
Excusing is trying to make out that a choice was an inevitability when in fact there were other options
I could apply this to the IDF.

Just because YOU might (revealingly) chose to lie in an explanation doesn't take away from the fact that factual information is pretty central to most people's understanding of what an explanation is. The first dictionary definition I find if I google is this: 'make (an idea or situation) clear to someone by describing it in more detail or revealing relevant facts.'

Have good evening.

SharonEllis · 10/09/2024 18:22

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 18:00

I suggest you use your dictionary then because explaining does not equal sticking to facts at all time. I can explain to you why I am late, this doesn't mean that I will give you the real reason why. I can explain to you why the sky is blue some days but I could be wrong in my explanation.
Excusing means to forgive someone or something.
But enough of semantics.
Excusing is trying to make out that a choice was an inevitability when in fact there were other options
I could apply this to the IDF.

You could apply it to anything or anyone. Obviously.

Auvergne63 · 10/09/2024 18:00

SharonEllis · 10/09/2024 16:44

Dictionaries are available. Explaining is a factual thing. 'That rocket launcher can't go there because there is a big rock in the way'. Excusing is trying to make out that a choice was an inevitability when in fact there were other options. Putting a rocket launcher in a school is a choice, even if the area is densely populated. Making sure your rocket launcher is nowhere near your own citizens is an alternative, and most would think, preferable, choice.

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I suggest you use your dictionary then because explaining does not equal sticking to facts at all time. I can explain to you why I am late, this doesn't mean that I will give you the real reason why. I can explain to you why the sky is blue some days but I could be wrong in my explanation.
Excusing means to forgive someone or something.
But enough of semantics.
Excusing is trying to make out that a choice was an inevitability when in fact there were other options
I could apply this to the IDF.

ToBeDetermined · 10/09/2024 17:23

SharonEllis · 10/09/2024 16:57

My explanation was hypothetical. But I'm interested that you have verified sources & evidence for all of these incidents.

It would take me ages to dig them all up, but I have been reading the CNN, BBC and Sened detailed analyses of these incidents as they have been published. They go into great depth analysing footage on the ground before, during, and after the air strikes. They also analyse satellite imagery directly before and after the strikes to look for evidence of rocket launchers there or even nearby (within the accuracy range of the missiles used).

I do trust these sources as they have a pro-Israeli bias and so are unlikely to tamper with any evidence or overlook anything that would support the IDF’s version of events.

SharonEllis · 10/09/2024 16:57

ToBeDetermined · 10/09/2024 16:54

The funny thing is that in all the schools bombed for allegedly having Hamas or PIJ rocket launchers, the only rocket bits found in the rubble are the bits of the missiles used by the IDF to bomb the schools. There haven’t been any bits of blown up rocket launchers found not once. In addition, we have footage of the exact moment missiles where dropped on schools being used as shelters and you can see no rocket launchers or weaponry. You see children playing football- then blam! blood, concrete dust and body oarts. You see people huddled under a bit of plastic and then blam! Other people, mostly children, under other bits of plastic blown to pieces.

My explanation was hypothetical. But I'm interested that you have verified sources & evidence for all of these incidents.

ToBeDetermined · 10/09/2024 16:55

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No, I am asking for where you got your information because the link you posted was to something completely different, irrelevant and also unverified.

ToBeDetermined · 10/09/2024 16:54

SharonEllis · 10/09/2024 16:44

Dictionaries are available. Explaining is a factual thing. 'That rocket launcher can't go there because there is a big rock in the way'. Excusing is trying to make out that a choice was an inevitability when in fact there were other options. Putting a rocket launcher in a school is a choice, even if the area is densely populated. Making sure your rocket launcher is nowhere near your own citizens is an alternative, and most would think, preferable, choice.

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The funny thing is that in all the schools bombed for allegedly having Hamas or PIJ rocket launchers, the only rocket bits found in the rubble are the bits of the missiles used by the IDF to bomb the schools. There haven’t been any bits of blown up rocket launchers found not once. In addition, we have footage of the exact moment missiles where dropped on schools being used as shelters and you can see no rocket launchers or weaponry. You see children playing football- then blam! blood, concrete dust and body oarts. You see people huddled under a bit of plastic and then blam! Other people, mostly children, under other bits of plastic blown to pieces.

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