Has enough been done to tackle incitement to genocide?

Lalaloveya doesn't want a Jewish state. And I doubt itoosurvive does either after their spiel about how Hamas aren't actually antisemitic and have nothing against Jews actually but are simply defending themselves against those nasty zionists and their awful supporters who often happen to be Jews. Posts which are still up despite defending Hamas being fucking illegal but @mnhq have made it very clear they don't give a shit about antisemitism.

Lalaloveya doesn't want a Jewish state. And I doubt itoosurvive does either after their spiel about how Hamas aren't actually antisemitic and have nothing against Jews actually but are simply defending themselves against those nasty zionists and their awful supporters who often happen to be Jews. Posts which are still up despite defending Hamas being fucking illegal but @mnhq have made it very clear they don't give a shit about antisemitism.

Well, this wasn't asked of me, but here is my answer.

Firstly, I think there is a distinction to be made between defensive support of an ally and faciitation of aggression against a civilian population. I would have supported a targeted, intelligence-led, ideally jointly coordinated and overseen operation, carried out within international law, against the terrorist organisation responsible for pretty much the worst terrorist atrocity since 9/11 (even knowing that people and places I care about would have been in harm's way). I also think international laws and limits should be applicable for all and that governments should not expect to be given weapons by countries who claim to uphold those standards without also being expected to adhere to those in the use of the resources made available. So, I don't think governments should say "fend for yourself", but I also don't think they should be giving a free pass when it comes to international law.

In your hypothetical situation, a country and its civilian population would be at risk of harm and potentially destruction. Regardless of whatever went before, the right thing to do would be to protect the innocent population at risk. Just as innocent Palestinians do not deserve to die because of the heinous actions of the people in power, nor do innocent Israelis deserve that fate because of whatever acts of the leadership in your scenario led to the international community stopping military assistance in the scenario.

I would point out that neighbouring Arab countries have been involved in trying to protect Israel. When Iran launched missiles and drones, countries helped their neighbour. It would be likely that a defensive coalition to protect the existence of Israel would also include other countries in the region and that even countries which might 'keep out of' actual direct interventions might contribute in other ways. Israel is not alone and will not be alone. Its government should still be expected to conduct itself in accordance with basic ethical and legal standards though.

Why do you ask these questions? They are so goady, where has anyone on this thread suggested that there should not be a two state solution? and where has anyone said that jews should not have their own country?

You have said that the Isreali government would not currently support a two state solution
Does @Miffylou honestly think that the Israeli government will willingly accept a two state solution when all they do is steal more land every month?
At the moment, no. But in the long term, with a new Israeli leader and enough cast-iron guarantees from the international community that the security of Israel would be protected and defended, yes.

So where does that leave Gaza now?

Bingo.

This near constant assertion that because posters are challenging some of the emotive or sweeping statements being made on this thread this means that Palestinian lives are of no value to them is all part of the need to assign moral value to and assert moral superiority over other people and assuming other people are doing the same to you when it's very much a one way process.

This near constant assertion that because posters are challenging some of the emotive or sweeping statements being made on this thread this means that Palestinian lives are of no value to them is all part of the need to assign moral value to and assert moral superiority over other people and assuming other people are doing the same to you when it's very much a one way process.

I’ll provide egs later when I have time

Do you approve of a two-state solution? Do you think it is reasonable for Jews to have a country of their own anywhere in the world?

It is also the case that posters have minimised the threat to Israel and dismissed the justified fears of Israelis.
Where? and by who?

@Scirocco” There has also been condoning of and support for the mass killing of Palestinians, minimising of the events in Palestine, and denial of Palestinian rights to self-determination and safety, on Mumsnet. There have been entire threads going "It's very sad but..." or dismissing the eyewitness accounts of professionals who have seen the injuries and suffering of Palestinians.“
This may be the case and the suffering of Palestinians cannot be denied.

It is also the case that posters have minimised the threat to Israel and dismissed the justified fears of Israelis.

There are broad sweeping generalisations made on both sides.

@Scirocco” There has also been condoning of and support for the mass killing of Palestinians, minimising of the events in Palestine, and denial of Palestinian rights to self-determination and safety, on Mumsnet. There have been entire threads going "It's very sad but..." or dismissing the eyewitness accounts of professionals who have seen the injuries and suffering of Palestinians.“
This may be the case and the suffering of Palestinians cannot be denied.

It is also the case that posters have minimised the threat to Israel and dismissed the justified fears of Israelis.

There has also been condoning of and support for the mass killing of Palestinians, minimising of the events in Palestine, and denial of Palestinian rights to self-determination and safety, on Mumsnet. There have been entire threads going "It's very sad but..." or dismissing the eyewitness accounts of professionals who have seen the injuries and suffering of Palestinians.

Yes the last few pages of this thread are pretty shocking. Clearly for some Palestinian lives are of absolutely no value.

I am also pretty fed up with the broad sweeping accusations that are made about what mumsnetters have apparently said such as "no one where wants a two state solution" or "no one want a jewish state"? Where has someone said that? Why is it assumed that support for Palestinians automatically mean you don't want Isreal to exist? it is getting ridiculous. If things like this has been said challenge the poster that said it don't paint everyone with the same brush and make it sound like it is a collective opinion because its not.

Given that the article in the original post was talking about incitement to genocide which is happening in places other than Mumsnet, and a lot of the thread has been talking about things being said and done in places other than Mumsnet, it's probably not unreasonable for posters to point out that there is incitement to genocide happening in places other than Mumsnet.

There has also been condoning of and support for the mass killing of Palestinians, minimising of the events in Palestine, and denial of Palestinian rights to self-determination and safety, on Mumsnet. There have been entire threads going "It's very sad but..." or dismissing the eyewitness accounts of professionals who have seen the injuries and suffering of Palestinians.

Come off it. It's not just Netanyahu. If Israel had wanted a two state solution at any point we'd have had one by now. And the state wouldn't have allowed and supported the continued violent theft of Palestinian land which continues to this day.

And what people will want to continue to live under brutal illegal violent occupation? Which the Palestinians have, under the Israeli occupation for decades.

@SharonEllis why do you always minimise? It is not true that very few people don't want the Palestinians to have a state. It was not very long ago - I believe only a month or so ago that the overwhelming majority of the Israeli knesset voted AGAINST the Palestinians having their own state.
Does @Miffylou honestly think that the Israeli government will willingly accept a two state solution when all they do is steal more land every month?