Has enough been done to tackle incitement to genocide?

Hamas and the other political leaders inciting genocide and calling for the erasure of entire populations.

They all need to go. But through proportionate means within the boundaries of international law. Not through methods that disproportionately target civilians and refuse to recognise the legitimacy of the existence of civilian populations.

Hamas and the other political leaders inciting genocide and calling for the erasure of entire populations.

They all need to go. But through proportionate means within the boundaries of international law. Not through methods that disproportionately target civilians and refuse to recognise the legitimacy of the existence of civilian populations.

But there is a place for armed response to a terrorist act. Any state in the world has that right and would exercise that right. Its not the only response to terrorism (other things have to happen too), and it needs to be proportional and withim the bounds of law. There is a space between the acts of terrorism and the subsuming of the palestinian territories but if you can only see Israel through the lens of colonising oppressor with no legitimate right to defend itsrlf then, you cannot see that space. That position is undoubtedly where too many people on this thread are. And that is apologism for terrorism and you will seemingly never actually accept Israel's legitimacy.

Terrorism and brutality are terrorism and brutality regardless of whether they're carried out by a lone actor, small group, large organisation or government.

What Hamas did on October 7th was terrorism. What they have done before and after it was terrorism. The people responsible should face justice for their crimes.

The 'ordinary people' who took the opportunity to follow the example of terrorists and engage in terrorism and brutality themselves, are also terrorists. They should also face justice for their crimes.

I don't believe justice is the eradication of the Palestinian people or the subsuming of the Occupied Territories into the occupying state. There is a difference between justice and vengeance, and incitement to genocide has no place in justice.

But there is a place for armed response to a terrorist act. Any state in the world has that right and would exercise that right. Its not the only response to terrorism (other things have to happen too), and it needs to be proportional and withim the bounds of law. There is a space between the acts of terrorism and the subsuming of the palestinian territories but if you can only see Israel through the lens of colonising oppressor with no legitimate right to defend itsrlf then, you cannot see that space. That position is undoubtedly where too many people on this thread are. And that is apologism for terrorism and you will seemingly never actually accept Israel's legitimacy.

But there is a place for armed response to a terrorist act. Any state in the world has that right and would exercise that right. Its not the only response to terrorism (other things have to happen too), and it needs to be proportional and withim the bounds of law. There is a space between the acts of terrorism and the subsuming of the palestinian territories but if you can only see Israel through the lens of colonising oppressor with no legitimate right to defend itsrlf then, you cannot see that space. That position is undoubtedly where too many people on this thread are. And that is apologism for terrorism and you will seemingly never actually accept Israel's legitimacy.

But there is a place for armed response to a terrorist act. Any state in the world has that right and would exercise that right. Its not the only response to terrorism (other things have to happen too), and it needs to be proportional and withim the bounds of law. There is a space between the acts of terrorism and the subsuming of the palestinian territories but if you can only see Israel through the lens of colonising oppressor with no legitimate right to defend itsrlf then, you cannot see that space. That position is undoubtedly where too many people on this thread are. And that is apologism for terrorism and you will seemingly never actually accept Israel's legitimacy.

Terrorism and brutality are terrorism and brutality regardless of whether they're carried out by a lone actor, small group, large organisation or government.

What Hamas did on October 7th was terrorism. What they have done before and after it was terrorism. The people responsible should face justice for their crimes.

The 'ordinary people' who took the opportunity to follow the example of terrorists and engage in terrorism and brutality themselves, are also terrorists. They should also face justice for their crimes.

I don't believe justice is the eradication of the Palestinian people or the subsuming of the Occupied Territories into the occupying state. There is a difference between justice and vengeance, and incitement to genocide has no place in justice.

Yes. I just could not understand the reasoning of another poster that so long as a country is sovereign, it has the right to terrorise another people with acts of violence but if it is not a sovereign country its violent acts are designated as being terrorism.

I did not know my post had been deleted until you said, but don’t know why and have written to ask.

1. You start to see how countries are politically aligned.
2. What's up with Norway and Switzerland ?
3. Aren't New Zealand supposed to be on our side?
4. Is it a statement by Africa, or do they just not care? That's all. And your observations?

1. You start to see how countries are politically aligned.
2. What's up with Norway and Switzerland ?
3. Aren't New Zealand supposed to be on our side?
4. Is it a statement by Africa, or do they just not care? That's all. And your observations?

I read your last post that was deleted and I get what you are saying. It's a catch 22 situation for Palestinians. They can't force Israel legally to withdraw and stop their occupation. Any armed response is regarded as terrorism. They aren't allowed a legitimate army. If they try to resist the occupation and systematic discrimination in anyway, protests, stone throwing, even just refusing to move off their land they are killed, arrested, abused, threatened. Israel refuse to end the illegal occupation and refuse to even recognise that they are breaking international law.

It is a no win situation for Palestinians. There is no hope. No hope leads to people who have nothing else left to lose, which results in awful terrorism which results in more killing all round.

The West refuse to sanction Israel and withdraw support propping up their illegal occupation in part because they have the support of people like the posters here who say well it's a pity for Palestinians but who cares really, and the no win situation for Palestinians continues. Until the West wakes up and demand that our governments do something I can't see this resolving.

I have looked at your link though not read it all. It says indigenous people in Canada are against anti-semitism and against using oppression of a people as justification for murder, rape and capturing their oppressors. Most people are against these.

That does not mean settlers in the USA did not ravaged native Americans and feel justified because the natives were savage in their behaviour, and the pioneers felt the native people were both a threat, and in the way. They would certainly have called the native people terrorists if the word had been in common use then.

Hamas are not justified in their murdering, but Israel is no more justified by multiplying killing forty fold and destroying the whole of another people’s hospitals, schools, universities, mosques, journalists, doctors, lecturers - because they are ‘a sovereign state’.

And proxy of Iran though Hamas may be, it does but have the fighter jets and bombs, military bulldozers, tanks and drones and intelligence Israel has thanks to the U.S.

Netanyahu is not likely to be creating more security for Israelis by his methods.

@Itoosurvive Interesting how?