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ScrollingLeaves · 25/08/2024 21:15

Moreofthesamenothanks · 25/08/2024 20:48

According to Al Jazerra this morning hundreds of missiles hit northern Israel overnight, they were showing images

This is Al Jazeera’s news report from 16 hrs ago

The reporter stated the Israeli “military launched a series of strikes towards Lebanon” They said they launched “ preemptive strikes on Hezbollah positions after accusing the group of preparing to launch an extensive attack.” Al Jazeera then shows images of what they describe as the overnight Israeli air strikes in southern Lebanon.

Then Al Jazeera goes on to show images
coming in from northern Israel “ in the aftermath”, appearing to show Israel’s Iron Dome system active in the skies over the border region.

So it seems that the Israeli air strikes on Hezbollah were overnight, and the Hezbollah rockets launched at southern Israel followed this and were in the early morning.

Humdingerydoo · 25/08/2024 20:59

ScrollingLeaves · 25/08/2024 19:45

I think when people speak of Zionists they usually mean the group of far-right Israelis like Ben-Givr and Smotrich and their followers, who make up part of the government and 40% of the IDF, and who seem to be gaining too much control in Israel and causing trouble and lawlessness.

You've been on this board a while - surely you've seen a fair few posts where Zionists themselves have mentioned what their definition of Zionism is? Why wouldn't you and other regular posters use that definition instead? If they mean far-right Israelis they should really just call them that instead instead of misappropriating a word.

For reference, Zionism to most Zionists just means that they want a Jewish homeland in Zion aka Israel. I'm a Zionist who is also pro-Palestinian as I very much want Palestinians to have their own state as well, alongside the predominantly Jewish state of Israel.

BelleHathor · 25/08/2024 20:58

The rockets (340 katushka missiles) and an unspecified number of drones were fired after the IDF carried out pre-emptive airstrikes (50) in Southern Lebanon that was announced on Israeli Channel 12.

Moreofthesamenothanks · 25/08/2024 20:55

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 17:25

I've often seen "I hope Israel get what it deserves" posted on this board so I guess that extends to the sentiment that death, injury and destruction inflicted upon innocent people is acceptable and justifiable as long as it's Jews, followed by the predictable outrage when the Israelis take steps to prevent Iran and its proxies attacking. I saw Hamas sent their congratulations- they're obviously deeply invested in a positive resolution to the ceasefire negotiations.

Indeed

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Moreofthesamenothanks · 25/08/2024 20:48

roses2 · 25/08/2024 14:25

*Israel struck pre-emptively.

We can see that Hezbollah is preparing to launch an extensive attack on Israel*

So...Israel struck first then.

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According to Al Jazerra this morning hundreds of missiles hit northern Israel overnight, they were showing images

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Howdull · 25/08/2024 20:41

I don't think Israel fear Hezbollah.

Or Iran.

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 20:39

ScrollingLeaves · 25/08/2024 19:45

I think when people speak of Zionists they usually mean the group of far-right Israelis like Ben-Givr and Smotrich and their followers, who make up part of the government and 40% of the IDF, and who seem to be gaining too much control in Israel and causing trouble and lawlessness.

No they don't.

Rummly · 25/08/2024 20:18

ScrollingLeaves · 25/08/2024 19:45

I think when people speak of Zionists they usually mean the group of far-right Israelis like Ben-Givr and Smotrich and their followers, who make up part of the government and 40% of the IDF, and who seem to be gaining too much control in Israel and causing trouble and lawlessness.

I think when people speak of Zionists they mean Jews.

ScrollingLeaves · 25/08/2024 19:50

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 17:28

It almost sounds like you're looking forward to this.

No it doesn’t.

ScrollingLeaves · 25/08/2024 19:45

Rummly · 25/08/2024 16:45

Israel did what was sensible in the circumstances. It says it had intelligence that Hezbollah would attack. And the 300+ rockets fired at Israel would suggest the intelligence was right.

I am very doubtful that Iran will do anything. It wants to fund terrorists to attack Israel and kill Jews, and deny its role, not drag itself into a war it knows it will lose.

No doubt the ‘deeply concerned’ of MN will be along to disparage Israel and “Zionists” - who are of course completely different from Jews.

I think when people speak of Zionists they usually mean the group of far-right Israelis like Ben-Givr and Smotrich and their followers, who make up part of the government and 40% of the IDF, and who seem to be gaining too much control in Israel and causing trouble and lawlessness.

Dulra · 25/08/2024 19:30

79Helene · 25/08/2024 19:19

Oh I am very VERY interested in it, but I prefer discussion that isn't driven by blind bias.

Anyway my sojourn on CITME is fleeting so I'll leave you to your stream of Haaretz articles because if I said what I really thought about this board and behaviour on it I'd be banned.

So kind of you take the time to come and insult people.

79Helene · 25/08/2024 19:19

Dulra · 25/08/2024 19:07

Which is why you can practically hear the tumbleweed flying past the CITME board now.

If only that was accurate unfortunately there are still numerous atrocities still happening in Gaza that posters are still highlighting on these boards. Maybe it's not something you are interested in but many of us do like to be made aware of what is happening so I am grateful to those who still update here.

Oh I am very VERY interested in it, but I prefer discussion that isn't driven by blind bias.

Anyway my sojourn on CITME is fleeting so I'll leave you to your stream of Haaretz articles because if I said what I really thought about this board and behaviour on it I'd be banned.

Dulra · 25/08/2024 19:07

79Helene · 25/08/2024 18:06

Even a 5-year old would know how to spell "Hamas".

I don't think you'll find any supporters of Netanyahu on here, but the 'it's all Israel's fault' is beyond tedious now and has rendered any kind of discussion absolutely pointless.

Which is why you can practically hear the tumbleweed flying past the CITME board now.

Which is why you can practically hear the tumbleweed flying past the CITME board now.

If only that was accurate unfortunately there are still numerous atrocities still happening in Gaza that posters are still highlighting on these boards. Maybe it's not something you are interested in but many of us do like to be made aware of what is happening so I am grateful to those who still update here.

79Helene · 25/08/2024 18:06

BelleHathor · 25/08/2024 17:44

No, simply being factual, you can read about the coverage in the Times of Israel if you like.
Even a 5 year old knows that if you keep provoking entities supposedly "in defence" eventually there will be a response. That's why Netanyahu does it, to keep his power. I wouldn't really be bothered, except for his actions have pushed the world closer to World War 3 all for his own self preservation.

Even a 5-year old would know how to spell "Hamas".

I don't think you'll find any supporters of Netanyahu on here, but the 'it's all Israel's fault' is beyond tedious now and has rendered any kind of discussion absolutely pointless.

Which is why you can practically hear the tumbleweed flying past the CITME board now.

Humdingerydoo · 25/08/2024 18:06

Most adults would acknowledge that Hezbollah started provoking Israel already back in October and that they have kept doing so ever since with their constant attacks up north, including one that killed 12 children just a few weeks ago. But then again most adults don't automatically feel the need to blame Israel for absolutely everything bad that happens in the world. Most adults are a bit more objective and sensible than that.

Rummly · 25/08/2024 18:04

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 18:00

Of course, you're absolutely right, it's been entirely one-sided. Not a single missile, drone or incendiary has been fired by Iran, Hezbollah or any other proxies into Israel, no-one's been injured or killed, swathes of Israel haven't been set on fire and hundreds of thousands of Israelis haven't been displaced for months. Iran and its proxies most definitely haven't attacked Israel at any point or made countless statements that they're committed to its complete destruction. It's been all and only Netanyahu provoking them all along.

Yeah, “look what you made me do, Israel, with your democracy and liberal western views and your wish to protect your people from terrorism and antisemitism” 🙄

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 18:00

BelleHathor · 25/08/2024 17:44

No, simply being factual, you can read about the coverage in the Times of Israel if you like.
Even a 5 year old knows that if you keep provoking entities supposedly "in defence" eventually there will be a response. That's why Netanyahu does it, to keep his power. I wouldn't really be bothered, except for his actions have pushed the world closer to World War 3 all for his own self preservation.

Of course, you're absolutely right, it's been entirely one-sided. Not a single missile, drone or incendiary has been fired by Iran, Hezbollah or any other proxies into Israel, no-one's been injured or killed, swathes of Israel haven't been set on fire and hundreds of thousands of Israelis haven't been displaced for months. Iran and its proxies most definitely haven't attacked Israel at any point or made countless statements that they're committed to its complete destruction. It's been all and only Netanyahu provoking them all along.

BelleHathor · 25/08/2024 17:44

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 17:28

It almost sounds like you're looking forward to this.

No, simply being factual, you can read about the coverage in the Times of Israel if you like.
Even a 5 year old knows that if you keep provoking entities supposedly "in defence" eventually there will be a response. That's why Netanyahu does it, to keep his power. I wouldn't really be bothered, except for his actions have pushed the world closer to World War 3 all for his own self preservation.

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 17:28

BelleHathor · 25/08/2024 17:08

On Iran responding to the Israeli breach of it's sovereignty, yesterday the commander in chief of the IRGC responded to a question by saying "You will hear good news about revenge". There are also reports from back in May 2024 that senior Iranian leaders are reviewing their stance against nuclear weapons.

Nasrallah has just given a speech about the military targets that Hezbollah targeted (including the secret base where unit 8200 is housed outside Tel Aviv).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_8200
He stated that everyone delayed their response to allow negotiations regarding Gaza. Now that those are basically dead each front will respond separately to the attacks by IDF.
Netanyahu is getting exactly what he wished for.

It almost sounds like you're looking forward to this.

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 17:25

Rummly · 25/08/2024 16:45

Israel did what was sensible in the circumstances. It says it had intelligence that Hezbollah would attack. And the 300+ rockets fired at Israel would suggest the intelligence was right.

I am very doubtful that Iran will do anything. It wants to fund terrorists to attack Israel and kill Jews, and deny its role, not drag itself into a war it knows it will lose.

No doubt the ‘deeply concerned’ of MN will be along to disparage Israel and “Zionists” - who are of course completely different from Jews.

I've often seen "I hope Israel get what it deserves" posted on this board so I guess that extends to the sentiment that death, injury and destruction inflicted upon innocent people is acceptable and justifiable as long as it's Jews, followed by the predictable outrage when the Israelis take steps to prevent Iran and its proxies attacking. I saw Hamas sent their congratulations- they're obviously deeply invested in a positive resolution to the ceasefire negotiations.

BelleHathor · 25/08/2024 17:08

On Iran responding to the Israeli breach of it's sovereignty, yesterday the commander in chief of the IRGC responded to a question by saying "You will hear good news about revenge". There are also reports from back in May 2024 that senior Iranian leaders are reviewing their stance against nuclear weapons.

Nasrallah has just given a speech about the military targets that Hezbollah targeted (including the secret base where unit 8200 is housed outside Tel Aviv).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_8200
He stated that everyone delayed their response to allow negotiations regarding Gaza. Now that those are basically dead each front will respond separately to the attacks by IDF.
Netanyahu is getting exactly what he wished for.

Unit 8200 - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_8200

79Helene · 25/08/2024 17:02

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 16:54

And the beleaguered Lebanese people have no wish to be dragged into a war started by Iran and Hezbollah but no-one appears to give a shit about them because they're too busy shrieking "Israel started it!".

Any opportunity innit.

Anyway, Hezbollah themselves don't want a war with Israel (and vice versa).

The most worrying thing here is if this escalates, the talks in Egypt will almost certainly be over.

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 16:54

79Helene · 25/08/2024 16:48

Hezbollah had their rockets good to go and pointing directly toward central Israel.

Iran doesn't want a war it knows it can't win against the US.

And the beleaguered Lebanese people have no wish to be dragged into a war started by Iran and Hezbollah but no-one appears to give a shit about them because they're too busy shrieking "Israel started it!".

79Helene · 25/08/2024 16:48

Hezbollah had their rockets good to go and pointing directly toward central Israel.

Iran doesn't want a war it knows it can't win against the US.

Rummly · 25/08/2024 16:45

Israel did what was sensible in the circumstances. It says it had intelligence that Hezbollah would attack. And the 300+ rockets fired at Israel would suggest the intelligence was right.

I am very doubtful that Iran will do anything. It wants to fund terrorists to attack Israel and kill Jews, and deny its role, not drag itself into a war it knows it will lose.

No doubt the ‘deeply concerned’ of MN will be along to disparage Israel and “Zionists” - who are of course completely different from Jews.