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This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 09/07/2024 18:08

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

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ConnieCounter · 26/09/2024 14:23

YoYoYoYo12345 · 26/09/2024 14:08

We are on a UK website. The settlers and the huge group of other people listed, lawyers, advisors etc are not part of a terrorist organisation even if their individual actions are illegal or wrong. It doesn't work like that.

I'll leave it since it appears mn users can now label random individuals as terrorists as they please. I tend to follow international guidelines on terrorism though.

There is do much hatred towards Israeli on these threads and using do.e extreme individuals to categorise a larger number of people is wrong. But I've seen these threads and how they work, do much hate. It will help no one in the long term or for the bigger picture

I'm not sure what list you're referring to?

If you're so upset by violent militant settlers being labelled as terrorists because they commit terrorist acts maybe you're right and this isn't the board for you.

No one is saying that this is all Israelis, it's militant violent settlers, so I'm not sure why you're suggesting otherwise, but you might want to correct that.

Dulra · 26/09/2024 14:21

They are terrorists. The definition is clear

A person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political gains

They are not (yet) a proscribed terrorist organision. I think you are confusing the two. You don't need to be part of a proscribed terrorist organision to be labelled a terrorist or engage in terrorist activity.

StupidFarang · 26/09/2024 14:21

Dulra · 26/09/2024 08:08

So you come on the thread to remind us that Hamas dehumanise too. At no point has anyone denied or condoned that. You have absolutely zero comment on the distressing article about bodies decomposing in a truck just jumped over it to have a dig. Delightful

is far worse and accepted on one of them
Unless you are referring to the Israeli government and IDF this statement is not accurate

I don't believe middle east eye or anything else funded by Qatar. Hth

YoYoYoYo12345 · 26/09/2024 14:17

AhNowTed · 26/09/2024 14:07

@YoYoYoYo12345

I am actually surprised that such a regular poster as yourself claims to have no knowledge of this.

That's not goading, honestly. It's perhaps a good example of we only see what we want to see - the horror of "them", but not of "us".

Total rubbish and you know it. I condemn the actions of people from 'both sides'.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 26/09/2024 14:14

AhNowTed · 26/09/2024 14:07

@YoYoYoYo12345

I am actually surprised that such a regular poster as yourself claims to have no knowledge of this.

That's not goading, honestly. It's perhaps a good example of we only see what we want to see - the horror of "them", but not of "us".

You are goading. I'll not reply, there's no race to the bottom here. I won't engage in your pursuit or rudeness. I've never claimed to have no knowledge as you have made up! I've not seen that particular link, that's all.

Goodness what's the point engaging.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 26/09/2024 14:10

I don't condone illegal activities or actions by anyone on either side though

YoYoYoYo12345 · 26/09/2024 14:08

ConnieCounter · 26/09/2024 14:01

Israeli security chief condemns ‘terrorism’ of militant settlers | Israel | The Guardian

The head of Israel’s security agency, Shin Bet, has warned the country’s leaders that Jewish terrorism in the West Bank is out of control and has become a serious threat to national security.

Ronen Bar issued the warning in a letter to the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, the attorney general and members of the Israeli cabinet, some of whom are outspoken backers of the extremist settlers responsible for the escalating violence...

Bar said their actions should not be described as criminality but as terrorism.

“It isn’t crime because it’s the use of violence to create intimidation, to spread fear. That is terror,” he wrote, describing how the campaign had “significantly expanded” in the absence of an adequate police response and with the connivance of some national leaders. The militants had gone from using “cigarette lighters to the weapons of war”, the security chief said, adding that some of those weapons had been provided by the state.
The terror campaign, the letter said, was “a large stain on Judaism and on all of us”.

The head of Shin Bet says they're terrorists.

We are on a UK website. The settlers and the huge group of other people listed, lawyers, advisors etc are not part of a terrorist organisation even if their individual actions are illegal or wrong. It doesn't work like that.

I'll leave it since it appears mn users can now label random individuals as terrorists as they please. I tend to follow international guidelines on terrorism though.

There is do much hatred towards Israeli on these threads and using do.e extreme individuals to categorise a larger number of people is wrong. But I've seen these threads and how they work, do much hate. It will help no one in the long term or for the bigger picture

AhNowTed · 26/09/2024 14:07

@YoYoYoYo12345

I am actually surprised that such a regular poster as yourself claims to have no knowledge of this.

That's not goading, honestly. It's perhaps a good example of we only see what we want to see - the horror of "them", but not of "us".

ConnieCounter · 26/09/2024 14:01

Israeli security chief condemns ‘terrorism’ of militant settlers | Israel | The Guardian

The head of Israel’s security agency, Shin Bet, has warned the country’s leaders that Jewish terrorism in the West Bank is out of control and has become a serious threat to national security.

Ronen Bar issued the warning in a letter to the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, the attorney general and members of the Israeli cabinet, some of whom are outspoken backers of the extremist settlers responsible for the escalating violence...

Bar said their actions should not be described as criminality but as terrorism.

“It isn’t crime because it’s the use of violence to create intimidation, to spread fear. That is terror,” he wrote, describing how the campaign had “significantly expanded” in the absence of an adequate police response and with the connivance of some national leaders. The militants had gone from using “cigarette lighters to the weapons of war”, the security chief said, adding that some of those weapons had been provided by the state.
The terror campaign, the letter said, was “a large stain on Judaism and on all of us”.

The head of Shin Bet says they're terrorists.

Israeli security chief condemns ‘terrorism’ of militant settlers

Ronen Bar sparks row with letter to Netanyahu about actions of ‘hilltop youth’ being a ‘large stain on Judaism’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/23/israeli-security-chief-ronen-bar-hilltop-youth-west-bank

Dulra · 26/09/2024 14:01

YoYoYoYo12345 · 26/09/2024 13:42

I've seen that woman before. She is widely condemned by many including me. There are extreme views on both sides.

She doesn't belong to a terrorist organisation? Pretending she does isn't correct though.

It's very difficult to accept and believe something is widely condemned when it is allowed happen without consequences and actually openly supported by government ministers and the IDF

AhNowTed · 26/09/2024 13:48

YoYoYoYo12345 · 26/09/2024 13:42

I've seen that woman before. She is widely condemned by many including me. There are extreme views on both sides.

She doesn't belong to a terrorist organisation? Pretending she does isn't correct though.

This is not about one woman.

Look if you're not prepared to watch it, but yet respond anyway, what is the point.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 26/09/2024 13:42

I've seen that woman before. She is widely condemned by many including me. There are extreme views on both sides.

She doesn't belong to a terrorist organisation? Pretending she does isn't correct though.

AhNowTed · 26/09/2024 13:34

@YoYoYoYo12345

Allow me...

ConnieCounter · 26/09/2024 13:34

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YoYoYoYo12345 · 26/09/2024 13:33

AhNowTed · 26/09/2024 13:31

Breaking the law? Are you for real.

Stealing? Yes it's breaking the law. I haven't watched the twitter. A poster just merely labelled a large bunch of different individuals terrorists. There is no proscribed terrorist group to which they belong.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 26/09/2024 13:31

AhNowTed · 26/09/2024 12:35

@YoYoYoYo12345

Watch it and decide for yourself.

I don't have twitter etc and don't watch random twitter links. I realise that many break the law and are wrong. However they aren't legally labelled terrorists. No more than any people who break the law anywhere are.

AhNowTed · 26/09/2024 13:31

Breaking the law? Are you for real.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 26/09/2024 13:27

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So no proscribed terrorist groups then.

I totally condemn the actions of people breaking the law but it's not up to you to decide who are terrorists or not.

Just labelling random individuals isn't how it works.

AhNowTed · 26/09/2024 12:39

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AhNowTed · 26/09/2024 12:35

@YoYoYoYo12345

Watch it and decide for yourself.

Auvergne63 · 26/09/2024 12:34

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YoYoYoYo12345 · 26/09/2024 12:31

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Which terrorist group are you referring to?

HRTQueen · 26/09/2024 12:04

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not just protected by Israel but largely ignored by the west

Israel have got away with atrocities for years and now the world is waking up governments need to and will catch up with their publics opinion in time

we have moved on from west against the middle east that time has passed it opinions have changed

AhNowTed · 26/09/2024 11:50

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AhNowTed · 26/09/2024 11:48

TRT World’s award-winning documentary “Holy Redemption: Stealing Palestinian Land” exposes how the sick mentality of illegal Zionist settlers is used against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank

This is shocking and disturbing.

I had no idea of this scale of this.

Contains contributions from Israeli human rights groups, former PM Ehud Olmert, pro-settlement Knesset member, and the settlers themselves.

x.com/trtworld/status/1836450101230801037?s=46&t=tm415yZZZz0e-dE263leqA