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This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 09/07/2024 18:08

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

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Dulra · 26/09/2024 15:14

StupidFarang · 26/09/2024 15:02

No but you reposted it as you thought it was such an important and credible source.

And, yes, of course, bodies should be treated with dignity and Israel can and should do better.

Now let's look at what Israel's adversaries in this conflict are doing to bodies shall we? What state do you think Hadar Goldin's and Shaul Oron's bodies are in? What happened to Shani Louk's body? Was that not dehumanising?
Where's the body of Tal Chaimi? He was killed on 7/10 and HIS BODY taken back to Gaza
Where are the bodies of the baby Kfir Bibas? His 5 year old brother Ariel? Their mother Shiri? Can we demand details from the Hamas run ministry of health which refuses to take unidentidied bodies?

Slight whiff of hypocrisy in the air.

Yes, Israel should do better, what with being a democratic country. But how about demanding the same from Gaza?

Slight whiff of hypocrisy in the air.
Why? Did anyone here deny or condone any of that?

EasterIssland · 26/09/2024 15:12

StupidFarang · 26/09/2024 15:10

Well, let's begin with if the Govts of Qatar or Iran - odious authoritarian regimes constantly meddling in the region - are funding it, chances are it's not credible. HTH.

So is Israel returning decomposed bodies or is this a lie ?

id not say Israeli government is any better than Iran’s or qatars

StupidFarang · 26/09/2024 15:12

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EasterIssland · 26/09/2024 15:11

StupidFarang · 26/09/2024 15:06

Who are "they"?
And I can tell you don't care about where you source your material from and its credibility. You do actually seem quite a fan of Al Manar and Press TV

Who are they

. Those that criticise my sources.

You must have missed that I tend to post from several sources , some of them (or most of them) you won’t like them. Mainly because you don’t like that im posting about Israel’s war crimes.

StupidFarang · 26/09/2024 15:10

EasterIssland · 26/09/2024 15:05

Who defines what credible sources are ?

Well, let's begin with if the Govts of Qatar or Iran - odious authoritarian regimes constantly meddling in the region - are funding it, chances are it's not credible. HTH.

Mellowdramadrama · 26/09/2024 15:06

The IDF throwing dead bodies of Palestinians off the top of buildings should tell you all you need to know about them. Utter scum.

StupidFarang · 26/09/2024 15:06

EasterIssland · 26/09/2024 14:57

I was the one that posted the link from the Middle East and to be honest I don’t care about the dig. They can criticise as much as they want the sources that won’t change the reality of the war crimes that Israel and some of the Israeli citizens are committing.

Who are "they"?
And I can tell you don't care about where you source your material from and its credibility. You do actually seem quite a fan of Al Manar and Press TV

EasterIssland · 26/09/2024 15:05

StupidFarang · 26/09/2024 15:02

No but you reposted it as you thought it was such an important and credible source.

And, yes, of course, bodies should be treated with dignity and Israel can and should do better.

Now let's look at what Israel's adversaries in this conflict are doing to bodies shall we? What state do you think Hadar Goldin's and Shaul Oron's bodies are in? What happened to Shani Louk's body? Was that not dehumanising?
Where's the body of Tal Chaimi? He was killed on 7/10 and HIS BODY taken back to Gaza
Where are the bodies of the baby Kfir Bibas? His 5 year old brother Ariel? Their mother Shiri? Can we demand details from the Hamas run ministry of health which refuses to take unidentidied bodies?

Slight whiff of hypocrisy in the air.

Yes, Israel should do better, what with being a democratic country. But how about demanding the same from Gaza?

No but you reposted it as you thought it was such an important and credible source.

must be credible as it’s already been proven that it’s happened.

EasterIssland · 26/09/2024 15:05

StupidFarang · 26/09/2024 15:03

Demanding credible sources? Strange statement.

Who defines what credible sources are ?

StupidFarang · 26/09/2024 15:03

ConnieCounter · 26/09/2024 15:00

It's one way to shut down debate I suppose.

Demanding credible sources? Strange statement.

StupidFarang · 26/09/2024 15:02

Scirocco · 26/09/2024 14:47

Actually, my main sources that I tend to reference include: academic reports, media sources that rate reasonably to very well in terms of independent assessments of credibility, eyewitness accounts and lived experience.

I didn't post the initial link in this thread, so trying to use it to make digs at me isn't really going to work.

I do really think it says a lot when this is the kind of response people have when another person is saying that, not only is it horrible that there are trucks delivering unidentified bodies, but it's entirely possible people that the person knows and cares about might be on such a truck. A truly heartwarming display of empathy and consideration for innocent people.

No but you reposted it as you thought it was such an important and credible source.

And, yes, of course, bodies should be treated with dignity and Israel can and should do better.

Now let's look at what Israel's adversaries in this conflict are doing to bodies shall we? What state do you think Hadar Goldin's and Shaul Oron's bodies are in? What happened to Shani Louk's body? Was that not dehumanising?
Where's the body of Tal Chaimi? He was killed on 7/10 and HIS BODY taken back to Gaza
Where are the bodies of the baby Kfir Bibas? His 5 year old brother Ariel? Their mother Shiri? Can we demand details from the Hamas run ministry of health which refuses to take unidentidied bodies?

Slight whiff of hypocrisy in the air.

Yes, Israel should do better, what with being a democratic country. But how about demanding the same from Gaza?

ConnieCounter · 26/09/2024 15:00

It's one way to shut down debate I suppose.

EasterIssland · 26/09/2024 14:57

Scirocco · 26/09/2024 14:47

Actually, my main sources that I tend to reference include: academic reports, media sources that rate reasonably to very well in terms of independent assessments of credibility, eyewitness accounts and lived experience.

I didn't post the initial link in this thread, so trying to use it to make digs at me isn't really going to work.

I do really think it says a lot when this is the kind of response people have when another person is saying that, not only is it horrible that there are trucks delivering unidentified bodies, but it's entirely possible people that the person knows and cares about might be on such a truck. A truly heartwarming display of empathy and consideration for innocent people.

I was the one that posted the link from the Middle East and to be honest I don’t care about the dig. They can criticise as much as they want the sources that won’t change the reality of the war crimes that Israel and some of the Israeli citizens are committing.

Scirocco · 26/09/2024 14:51

While digging up graves, they dug up otherwise undisturbed burial sites, removed and desecrated the bodies of Palestinians, and dumped the 'remains' with less consideration than people in the UK would give a dog.

Scirocco · 26/09/2024 14:47

StupidFarang · 26/09/2024 14:38

No I'm saying I don't believe any sources funded by Qatar. And if that's your main source of info, it explains a lot.

Actually, my main sources that I tend to reference include: academic reports, media sources that rate reasonably to very well in terms of independent assessments of credibility, eyewitness accounts and lived experience.

I didn't post the initial link in this thread, so trying to use it to make digs at me isn't really going to work.

I do really think it says a lot when this is the kind of response people have when another person is saying that, not only is it horrible that there are trucks delivering unidentified bodies, but it's entirely possible people that the person knows and cares about might be on such a truck. A truly heartwarming display of empathy and consideration for innocent people.

ConnieCounter · 26/09/2024 14:41

Israel won't allow journalists into Gaza and they've killed well over 100 Gazan journalists so it's not always easy to find mainstream western sources on certain aspects of the war. I'm not speaking about this issue, but generally. It's an important feature of what's happening in Gaza.

StupidFarang · 26/09/2024 14:38

Scirocco · 26/09/2024 14:25

Are you saying you don't believe Israel is sending unidentified, decomposing bodies of dead Palestinians to Gaza?

No I'm saying I don't believe any sources funded by Qatar. And if that's your main source of info, it explains a lot.

StupidFarang · 26/09/2024 14:37

Reads quite different doesn't it?
They want israel to provide more details. The fact that israel provides details is already more than what the Palestinians do for israelis killed and held hostage.

In some cases israel has dug up graves to identify bodies of hostages and then returned the bodies.
It's a bit gruesome but given the importance of retrieving bodies, you can understand why.

I mean, if we're talking about using bodies of dead people, where are the bodies of Hadar Goldin and Shaul Oron? Why were bodies of murdered Israelis like Shani Louk taken back to Gaza to be spat on and beaten in the street?

Dehumanisation indeed.

Scirocco · 26/09/2024 14:29

Oh yes, and this isn't the first time it's happened...

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trucks-bringing-bodies-detainees-into-gaza-hold-up-aid-says-unrwa-2024-04-30/

StupidFarang · 26/09/2024 14:28

I call violent extremists who sue terror terrorists no matter who. I mean, who murdered Rabin? Why does the Shin Bet have a Jewish section.
They are a tiny minority, even of settlers (who are mostly law abiding citizens) but they have been treated with kid gloves by current govt.

I'm not an israel hater obviously, but I have no problem calling things out when they are simply wrong. It's a massive issue and only getting worse which is extremely worrying.

AhNowTed · 26/09/2024 14:26

@YoYoYoYo12345

Sorry I can't quote a quote as I'm on the app.

I accept what you don't condone these actions.

I was just surprised when you came back with the "one woman" statement.

It is a whole movement and thousands of these marauding settlers, armed and protected by the IDF and the state of Israel. That we can agree on I hope.

Dulra · 26/09/2024 14:26

StupidFarang · 26/09/2024 14:21

I don't believe middle east eye or anything else funded by Qatar. Hth

Plenty of sources for the information. Reuters link below

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-sends-scores-bodies-gaza-palestinians-demand-details-before-burying-them-2024-09-25/

Scirocco · 26/09/2024 14:25

StupidFarang · 26/09/2024 14:21

I don't believe middle east eye or anything else funded by Qatar. Hth

Are you saying you don't believe Israel is sending unidentified, decomposing bodies of dead Palestinians to Gaza?