This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

Another school in Gaza bombed today with over a dozen people killed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgxqp81lxxo

I didn't say you did so there's no need for the eye rolling. This isn't the first time you've imagined something has been said that actually hasn't.

No I don’t have access to real views now.I have been to Gaza many years ago. The Palestinians I met were incredibly hospitable- and also cynical about the Israelis and about the “support” of other Arab countries . Like us, their main concern was the education and future of their children.

Do you have access to real Palestinian views? I follow a few Palestinian journalists in twitter. None of their stories is hamas propaganda. I agree with you though that Hamas and Israeli government don’t care about them and use them for their own benefit.

Yes - the Education ministry’s comment is indefensible

The solution to this issue is simple, they should stop giving them material that can be used to further their agenda. Basically, stop killing people and blowing things up.

I 💯 agree.

I honestly feel that too many people are not reflecting real Palestinian views but instead echoing the sentiments that Iran/Hezbollah/Hamas are spreading on social media. I think many many Palestinians are broken and destroyed by being used as a proxy by more powerful entities. Israeli government has been terrible but the Palestinians plight has been used by entities that don’t care about them any more than the Israeli government.

It’s a moral obligation to echo the stories of those who are being treated unfairly and in need of help, especially so when there are attempts to silence them.

You need to step down off your pedestal and stop being so patronising and condescending. You always seem to take that tone with me

The teachers may or may not have been (although suspending someone from school generally isn't an appropriate way to do so), but the Education Ministry accusation of "inciting against the army" does the exact opposite of protecting a vulnerable child - it places her at more risk and publicly criticises her. She's 12. That's not ok.

it is possible she was vulnerable in school and teachers were trying to protect her.
Well if it was the reason it was a complete failure considering she is accused by the
Education Ministry officials of 'inciting against the army'

A very good point.

If the people in Gaza were allowed more official channels to amplify their voice and experiences, there would be less need to share their stories in places like this.

As I said shame you have to resort to personal insults

I’m not agreeing with what happened to this little girl . I’m just saying it is possible she was vulnerable in school and teachers were trying to protect her.

If you can’t share your concern for an out-group because you fear what will happen to you, then isn’t that prescribed dehumanisation?

Isn’t that the real issue here, and what we should focus on, especially as there have been so many similar instances?

Ah back to the snarky comments about me. My post was reasoned and measured shame you're not capable of the same.

To add to that it must be remembered that Palestinians in Gaza currently don't have a voice. There are no independent observers or independent journalists in Gaza which means it is crucial their stories get told and get traction, they currently have no control over the narrative about what is happening to them.

@Limesodaagain Wouldn't it be great to have nothing to post on this thread but unfortunately that is not the case. I disagree that a thread highlighting the atrocities inflicted on Palestinians is an echo chamber. We are on mumsnet not the BBC we don't need to provide balance, posters come her to keep up with what is happening. It has already been pointed out that there are plenty of threads highlighting what Israeli citizens and hostages are suffering at the hands of Hamas. Have you posted the same text there?

It is possible that the school thought they were protecting the girl . ( I’m definitely not defending the government position) I imagine it’s difficult managing the education of children from different backgrounds in these circumstances.
Im not saying it’s correct- of course she should be able to express her anguish over what’s happening. But the reality is that you probably can’t speak openly if you are in a minority in a war situation. It was similar in the north of Ireland in 70’s. You wouldn’t express your views publicly if you were not “among friends “

A group that believes it is wrong for a
person, especially a child, to have concern for (other) innocent children who are suffering, is seriously unwell. That’s the nicest term I can use to communicate my thoughts regarding yet another story, which fits the familiar theme.

What kind of civilised society, vilifies those who don’t adhere to the encouraged dehumanisation of others.

I don’t think prescribed dehumanisation is an admirable or moral quality.

The trouble with the insistence on sticking to thread titles is that these threads inevitably become one sided echo chambers.
There are horrors on both sides ( as we all agree) . But .. There is an insistence ( from some posters) that one side is more righteous .
It’s good and right and necessary to speak up for suffering Palestinians but when that means that the role Hamas played in their suffering is downplayed in order to vilify Israel it becomes political rather than humanitarian.