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This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 09/07/2024 18:08

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

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ScrollingLeaves · 28/07/2024 10:53

Thank you. Hearing from soldiers themselves adds so much perspective about the reality. These soldiers probably represent the feelings of some others too who feel they cannot resign.

These are brave men.
He was also dismayed at what he described as a lack of clarity for soldiers regarding the rules of engagement, which he said were far more explicit during his compulsory military service, and felt the rules during this war were far looser than anything he previously experienced.
This corroborates what some of the Israeli soldiers in the +972 article “I shoot because I’m bored”, say.

One of the soldiers, Green, in this Guardian article said,

“I saw soldiers graffiting houses or stealing all the time. They would go into a house for a military reason, looking for weapons, but it was more fun to look for souvenirs – they had a thing for necklaces with Arabic writing that they collected.”*

I wonder what the writing on the necklaces says? It is almost as though they must covet something about the people they are supposed to bring down.

ScrollingLeaves · 28/07/2024 10:28

anotherlevel · 27/07/2024 19:09

I received a message from MN - they'd prefer if footage of graphic injuries were not posted on this site because it could cause distress to other posters. I did say it was graphic so posters did have the option of whether they wanted to view it or not.

Just to let you know, I saw it and remember it, thank you.

It shows how this Israeli regime is certainly causing on-going, disproportionate, and ineffective, month after month abhorrent atrocities to the innocent, that maybe Congress should have been shown as a counter to Natanyahu’s speech.

You did issue a warning, thank you, and I personally got ready to be shocked. But perhaps Mumsnet are worried someone would be curious and look anyway, who would be too upset to manage.

PeasfullPerson · 27/07/2024 21:57

anotherlevel · 27/07/2024 19:09

I received a message from MN - they'd prefer if footage of graphic injuries were not posted on this site because it could cause distress to other posters. I did say it was graphic so posters did have the option of whether they wanted to view it or not.

Was it particularly graphic? Or is there a new rule?

EasterIssland · 27/07/2024 20:27

anotherlevel · 27/07/2024 19:09

I received a message from MN - they'd prefer if footage of graphic injuries were not posted on this site because it could cause distress to other posters. I did say it was graphic so posters did have the option of whether they wanted to view it or not.

Not sure which guideline that breaks …

anotherlevel · 27/07/2024 19:13

@crabsforceltigar I didn't see your now deleted post but I can confirm my post that @BelleHathor was replying to had nothing to do with people laughing at Jewish people being gunned down.

anotherlevel · 27/07/2024 19:09

PeasfullPerson · 27/07/2024 11:36

I didn’t see your post so I don’t know, but I suppose the truth is offensive to people who would rather it was kept from others.

I received a message from MN - they'd prefer if footage of graphic injuries were not posted on this site because it could cause distress to other posters. I did say it was graphic so posters did have the option of whether they wanted to view it or not.

BelleHathor · 27/07/2024 18:17

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In the nicest possible manner, get help.

ScrollingLeaves · 27/07/2024 18:02

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What are you talking about responding to BelleHathor implying she supports people laughing at Jewish people being gunned down?

BelleHathor was replying to another poster about their deleted post and saying it had been about something abhorrent but not allowed to be seen in this post truth world.

crabsforceltigar · 27/07/2024 17:10

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PeasfullPerson · 27/07/2024 11:36

I didn’t see your post so I don’t know, but I suppose the truth is offensive to people who would rather it was kept from others.

BelleHathor · 26/07/2024 22:10

anotherlevel · 26/07/2024 21:10

What part of my post was offensive that it had to be deleted?

We're living in a post truth world and for some people if you don't see it, it didn't happen. Instead of questioning the abhorrent acts they can pretend that they're moral.

anotherlevel · 26/07/2024 21:48

It's upset someone, not sure what guideline it broke?

The link is to Al Jazeera, it covers a story of a young boy whose cousin had died in his arms after an Israeli attack whilst out playing. Sometimes if you have IG already open it takes you to random posts, you can fix this by closing the app and reopening the link.

AhNowTed · 26/07/2024 21:43

anotherlevel · 26/07/2024 21:10

What part of my post was offensive that it had to be deleted?

It wasn't offensive. The truth should never be offensive.

But your later post (this could be me as I don't really use IG)! shows some random post.

anotherlevel · 26/07/2024 21:10

What part of my post was offensive that it had to be deleted?

AhNowTed · 26/07/2024 20:24

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My god.

anotherlevel · 26/07/2024 20:20

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PeasfullPerson · 25/07/2024 22:08

‘Israeli officials seized documents about Pegasus spyware from its manufacturer, NSO Group, in an effort to prevent the company from being able to comply with demands made by WhatsApp in a US court to hand over information about the invasive technology.

Documents suggest the seizures were part of an unusual legal manoeuvre created by Israelto block the disclosure of information about Pegasus, which the government believed would cause “serious diplomatic and security damage” to the country.’

https://www.theguardian.com/news/article/2024/jul/25/israel-tried-to-frustrate-us-lawsuit-over-pegasus-spyware-leak-suggests

Israel tried to frustrate US lawsuit over Pegasus spyware, leak suggests

Officials seized documents from NSO Group in effort to stop handover of information about notorious hacking tool, files suggest

https://www.theguardian.com/news/article/2024/jul/25/israel-tried-to-frustrate-us-lawsuit-over-pegasus-spyware-leak-suggests

ScrollingLeaves · 25/07/2024 21:44

AhNowTed · 25/07/2024 19:31

Peace Now:

While We Were at War: The Israeli Government’s Annexation Revolution in the West Bank Since October 7th

A Special Report by our Settlement Watch Team

Following Netanyahu’s shameful speech to the US Congress and meeting with @POTUS, as he travels amid his fight for political survival while waging a destructive war and refusing to accept a hostage deal, Peace Now reveals critical data on settlement developments since 07/10.

peacenow.org.il/en/while-we-were-at-war-the-governments-annexation-revolution-in-the-west-bank-since-october-7th

x.com/peacenowisrael/status/1816538223960822169?s=46&t=tm415yZZZz0e-dE263leqA

That is an account of the Israeli government, the IDF, and settlers jointly prosecuting a creeping invasion, through pure theft, thuggery, and terrorism in order to inexorably erode the presence of Palestinians one way or another. They have evidently been practising these methods for some time and got it down to an art.

I heard Netanyahu yesterday in his speech in Washington yesterday say,
For 4000 years Israel has been the homeland of the Jewish people. It has always been our home, it will always be our home.

AhNowTed · 25/07/2024 19:31

Peace Now:

While We Were at War: The Israeli Government’s Annexation Revolution in the West Bank Since October 7th

A Special Report by our Settlement Watch Team

Following Netanyahu’s shameful speech to the US Congress and meeting with @POTUS, as he travels amid his fight for political survival while waging a destructive war and refusing to accept a hostage deal, Peace Now reveals critical data on settlement developments since 07/10.

peacenow.org.il/en/while-we-were-at-war-the-governments-annexation-revolution-in-the-west-bank-since-october-7th

x.com/peacenowisrael/status/1816538223960822169?s=46&t=tm415yZZZz0e-dE263leqA

ScrollingLeaves · 25/07/2024 17:29

Haasretz

Netanyahu Didn't Go to Washington to End Gaza War. He Went to Get the Means to Prolong It

While more bodies of Israeli hostages are being discovered, Netanyahu seeks to garner support not just for American weapons, but for everlasting Israeli control over the Gaza Strip

Let's start at the end: The goal of Benjamin Netanyahu's trip to Washington, including his appearance before the U.S. Congress, is not and never was to advance a diplomatic agreement to bring home the Israeli hostages safely while they are still alive and to bring an end to the fighting and the suffering. Rather, it is designed to enlist domestic American support to keep waging the war.

PeasfullPerson · 25/07/2024 09:43

But there are a lot of people who realise it isn’t credible. Let’s not give up hope. What comes around goes around, sometimes sooner, sometimes later.