This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

The military told AFP that troops "used riot dispersal means and fired live rounds in the air to disperse" a "gathering" in the Beita area.

"Shortly after, a report was received regarding a foreign national who was accidentally injured by the riot dispersal means and was evacuated to the hospital," the military statement said.

The thing is though that this explanation does not quite make sense in that the foreigner had already been dispersed when he was shot: he was in the act of running away.

Maybe the policy is just to shoot live amunition in the hope of shooting Palestinians with the excuse you are dispersing a rioting crowd.

Also, was this a “riot” or was it a protest? I don’t know, but am asking if anyone else knows.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240809-us-activist-says-israeli-forces-shot-him-in-west-bank

A US citizen told AFP he was shot by Israeli forces and wounded in the leg during a protest Friday against settlement expansion in the occupied West Bank,

And the government. The Israeli government is not only one party but a coalition. If a minister says things like that and not kicked out is because the government agrees with them

It's more than concerning that they think this is absolutely ok and to say it out loud. I'm glad it's being condemned but this sort of torture needs to stop.

Any other democratic nation he'd be instantly fired for a disgusting comment like that. The fact he isn't just demonstrates that his party agree with him.

I'm sure people will rush to distance themselves from him saying the quiet bit out loud.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/08/israel-finance-minister-bezalel-smotrich-gaza-starve-2m-people-comments

Wouldn't bother just another derail attempt. They have quoted a post from a month ago. Obviously trawled through the thread to find something to use.

And quite possibly profound harm to Israel too.
from Haaretz:
"The foundation of Bibi-ism is that occupation and annexation can continue undisturbed, that millions of Palestinians will miraculously capitulate and agree to live as humiliated subjects without rights under a military-settler dictatorship and that the world will make its peace with Israel's apartheid regime in the West Bank and with the tens of thousands killed in Gaza. This is a messianic delusion, detached from reality and from Zionism and a perfect recipe for the fall of the State of Israel" – Nir Hasson

I'm sure the many threads and discussions across the site are evidence that the atrocities of October 7th have not been forgotten by the people posting on this site.

This thread is about the actions of the Israeli government, military and extreme groups which are causing serious harm to other innocent people.

And have we forgotten those murdered on Oct 7th? Am sure everyone is concerned with children who are blown up in attacks, except HAMAS and HEZBOLLA. Don't let either terrorist organization get the best of Israel or we will all be gone.

Yes, I have just seen the new thread started by Scirroco,

I didn’t see it either. I believe there is a new thread with the link. 0 hope it won’t get derailed and inflammatory same as the other thread .

Does anyone know what exactly went wrong with this thread that was deleted? I have seen the MN message but never read the posts causing it to close. It was an important thread with first hand accounts from US doctors.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5123507-we-volunteered-at-a-gaza-hospital-what-we-saw-was-unspeakable?latest=1

@EasterIssland in that picture? Why are all those children sitting there? 😞

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/program/newsfeed/2024/8/5/israel-returns-84-unidentified-bodies-to-gaza

Haaretz

^War Will Usher in Israel's Redemption? Messianic Fervor Is Gaining Popularity Beyond Religious Fanatics
Disasters are a fertile ground for purveyors of apocalyptic prophecies^

Israel's national missions minister isn't alone in thinking that we are living in a miraculous time. Increasing numbers in right-wing circles have lately joined Orit Strock in identifying the war in the Gaza Strip with the War of Gog and Magog, and the ongoing disaster of October 7 with the birth pangs of the Messiah and the advent of redemption. Some, like Rabbi Eliezer Kashtiel, from the Bnei David yeshiva in the Eli settlement in the West Bank, draw on the words of the founder of religious Zionism, Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook (1865-1935), who said, "When there is a great war in the world, the power of the Messiah awakens." War has a purifying power, Rabbi Kook maintains, because it arouses the divine in humanity and helps overcome the selfish instinct. "The greater the destruction and the more systems that have fallen part… the greater the anticipation of the Messiah's footsteps."

This sounds similar to the way Sinwar might think imo (Messianic madness).

Commiserations to all Israeli hostages and their families, every victim of the Israeli regime, and every human being who values peace above all else.

Haaretz

HOSTAGES/CEASE-FIRE: The heads of the Mossad intelligence agency and the Shin Bet security service traveled to Egypt and returned to Israel on Saturday to continue negotiations for a hostage release/cease-fire deal. Sources familiar with the negotiations told Haaretz that Hamas did not "blow up" the talks and remains committed to them, but according to Israeli estimations, Haniyeh's killing in Tehran and the expected response will delay progress toward an agreement.

• Israeli defense chiefs believe that PM Netanyahu is not interested in a hostage release/cease-fire deal with Hamas, a senior member of the Israeli negotiating team told Haaretz.

• Relatives of Israeli hostages held in Gaza by Hamas protested outside Defense Ministry HQ in Tel Aviv, saying that PM "Netanyahu chose to drag us to escalation instead of closing a deal." Israelis are demonstrating across the country on Saturday eveningto demand that the government reach a deal to release the hostages.

"A source familiar with the discussions of the limited forum that approved this week's assassinations said he thinks the heads of the IDF, Mossad and Shin Bet security service will soon say publicly (that is, during a security cabinet meeting, since those are leaked to everyone) that in their view, Netanyahu is the one preventing progress in the deal. That would be a turning point" – Yossi Verter

https://x.com/abujomaagaza/status/1819763518578553317?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“The number is expected to rise..

Paramedics: So far, 15 displaced persons have been confirmed dead and 35 others WOUNDED in #Israelibombing of Hamama School —refugee shelter— in Al Sheikh Ridwan neighbourhood, northwest of #GazaCity!
#StopGazaGenocide”

“What we are currently facing is like the horrors of judgement day.”

A Palestinian doctor in Gaza recounted scenes of patients dying in his arms and desperate civilians seeking refuge in hospital corridors, after 300 days of Israel’s offensive.

“Simple cases pass away in your arms because there is no space or no basic medical supplies,” said Dr. Mohammed Mohsen, a doctor in the intensive care unit of Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in central Gaza.

“Please don’t stop talking about us, about our stories. We need this war to stop. We are human beings and we need to live in peace,” he added. “When we see you talking about us this gives us some release… At least if we passed away, we would not be anonymous.”

Mohsen’s testimony was shared with CNN by the UK-based NGO, Medical Aid for Palestinians. Read my reporting.
cnn.com/world/live-new…”

https://x.com/sananoorhaq/status/1819498770226184499?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Too true.

From the Jerusalem Post.

It was clear the man had been tortured or sodomized. If the soldiers involved do get away with lying about this it is proof they are lying all over the place.

Military prosecutor: No basis for sexual abuse allegations at Sde Teiman

^By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
Published: JULY 29, 2024 20:24^

Israel's military prosecutor, who is representing six of the nine reservists suspected of sexually abusing terrorists at Sde Teiman, said that they had no reason to believe there is a basis for the accusations against them, Israeli media reported Monday night.

"These are reservists, all of them normal citizens with families, who performed their complex duties faithfully while continuously risking their lives. We are convinced that it will become clear in a factual and professional investigation that there is no basis for suspicion against them. "

It's something we've discussed on other threads.
The IDF leaderships actions by allowing/looking the other way whilst these soldiers broke international law and committed atrocities in Gaza is coming home to roost. Ultimately it's Israeli society that will have to pay and that they'll destroy.
It's the Nietszche quote come alive and was so easy to predict:
“He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee.”

Im glad that they are critical of the torture and the mob rule, but I find it incredulous that a journalist can write

“Israel's strategic strength stems in part from its moral high ground”

Are they not aware of their government and army’s conduct over the last 9 months?! Or the actions of the settlers.

Moral high ground compared to what?!