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This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 09/07/2024 18:08

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

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Sheri99 · 12/08/2024 01:27

ConnieCounter · 11/08/2024 18:55

It's relentless and cruel and designed to inflict as much terror and hardship on civilians as possible.

Edited

Yes, it is and it is Hamas and Hezbollah use that tactic 100% of the time. They hide behind civilians and then H&H help stoke the propaganda fires that it is someone else and not THEM causing this war. They gleefully get Palestinians blown up hoping the negative press will stop the war and give them time to reboot their defenses, re-stoke their terror and look for a next victim.

Hamas and Hezbollah need to be destroyed; N is doing exactly what he warned Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah would happen if they did not return their people: protecting Israel.

Hamas and Hezbollah are the ones committing genocide, they make that very clear.

Dulra · 11/08/2024 23:14

Either the IDF’s intelligence saying there were no women or children there was useless, or they are just saying this as a sound bite.
@ScrollingLeaves definitely the latter

ScrollingLeaves · 11/08/2024 22:59

Thank you for this news report link
https://jrnl.ie/6460419
Excerpt:
“Peaceful people – women, children, and youths – were performing the Fajr prayer as usual when suddenly a missile hit them,” said Abu Wassim, who lives nearby and came to survey the scene.

“They were reduced to remains. Children were torn apart, and women were burned. What can we say or do? What is in our power?”

But in Haaretz it says that
The IDF said that its intelligence indicated that there were no women and children at the Gaza City school it targeted on Saturday, which it claimed was being used as a Hamas command center.

Either the IDF’s intelligence saying there were no women or children there was useless, or they are just saying this as a sound bite.

As their intelligence was evidently so fallible, I wonder if it was equally questionable regarding the “Hamas command center”?

Latest Israeli massacre in Gaza school condemned as people flee attack on Khan Younis 'safe zone'

At least 14 schools sheltering Gaza’s displaced have been hit since 6 July, killing more than 280 people.

https://jrnl.ie/6460419

ConnieCounter · 11/08/2024 18:55

It's relentless and cruel and designed to inflict as much terror and hardship on civilians as possible.

ScrollingLeaves · 11/08/2024 09:08

Unfortunately, they will most likely carry on as normal - or what has become normal. They don’t seem to care about the hostages becoming collateral damage in bombing attacks either.

Kamala Harris has just criticised the loss of civilian life in this last attack but it will not mean much in practice.

ConnieCounter · 11/08/2024 08:29

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0811/1464419-ireland-middle-east/

Taoiseach Simon Harris said the "world is standing at the precipice of a horrific moment' and called for an urgent review of the EU-Israel Association Agreement amid, what he said, is "growing evidence of a prolonged humanitarian catastrophe" in Gaza.

The Taoiseach said the weekend had "brought the grisly milestone of 40,000 deaths in Gaza a step closer" after the territory's health officials said an Israeli airstrike on a school killed around 100 people.

He described the attack on the al-Taba’een school as "gut-wrenching", adding that "490 of Gaza’s schools have been bombed or damaged since the start of the war".

"Ireland condemns outright such awful and wholesale loss of civilian life," he said.

Mr Harris’s request for a review of the agreement follows a call earlier this year by then taoiseach Leo Varadkar and Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez.
Mr Varadkar and Mr Sanchez wrote to European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, calling for a review of whether Israel is compliant with its human rights obligations under the EU-Israel Association Agreement.
In a statement this morning, Mr Harris reiterated this call for a review.
"The agreement contains human rights clauses, and I do not believe it is conscionable for the EU to continue to render them redundant," he said.

The Taoiseach said he is "particularly disturbed" by reports from the United Nations that "the number of aid deliveries reaching Gaza has halved to fewer than 80 trucks a day in June and July".

He said that the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs has reported that "only 24 of 67 planned aid missions to northern Gaza this month have been facilitated by Israel".

Mr Harris noted that more than 80% of Gaza is under evacuation orders, and Palestinians are seeking shelter in schools which are being attacked.

He said: "We have all been horrified by the many undoubted war crimes that have been committed in Gaza.

"There can be no impunity.

"Those responsible must be held to account."

The Taoiseach described the world as "standing at the precipice of a horrific moment and yet all levers to bring an end to the violence are not being used".

He said that "all the legally binding orders" of the International Court of Justice must also be "implemented in full".

"Too many innocent lives have been lost in ten months," he said.

Ireland, he said, calls for "an immediate ceasefire, the unconditional release of Israeli hostages and for aid trucks to flow unimpeded".

Harris calls for 'urgent review' of EU-Israel agreement

Taoiseach Simon Harris said the "world is standing at the precipice of a horrific moment' and called for an urgent review of the EU-Israel Association Agreement amid, what he said, is "growing evidence of a prolonged humanitarian catastrophe" in Gaza.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0811/1464419-ireland-middle-east

EasterIssland · 10/08/2024 22:15

ScrollingLeaves · 10/08/2024 21:25

Haaretz

White House: 'Deeply Concerned' Over Israeli Gaza City School Strike; Qatar, EU Condemn 'Massacre'

After rescue services reported that over 90 Palestinians were killed in an airstrike on a Gaza City school compound, the U.K. urged Israel to comply with international law, while Saudi Arabia condemned the strike 'in the strongest possible terms'

Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the U.K., and the EU condemned an Israeli attack Saturday after reports from Gaza said more than 90 Palestinians were killed and dozens wounded in a strike on a Gaza City school sheltering displaced people.

The Israeli army said it targeted a Hamas command center and that the death count was exaggerated.

"According to an initial review, the numbers published by the Hamas-run Government Information Office in Gaza, do not align with the information held by the IDF, the precise munitions used, and the accuracy of the strike," the army's international spokesperson initially said.

Israel Claims 19 Terrorists Were Killed in Strike That Reportedly Killed Over 90 Gazans

Dozens more were wounded in the airstrike that the Israeli army said targeted a Hamas 'command and control center' in the Al-Taba'een school, near a mosque in Daraj Tuffah

Hamas said 90 people had been killed in an Israeli strike on a Gaza City school in which displaced Palestinians were sheltering overnight into Saturday.

The Israel Defense Forces and Shin Bet security service said later Saturday that they were able to verify the deaths of 19 Hamas and Islamic Jihad members who were inside the headquarters that were attacked in the school.

I wonder how? Did they go in and collect their bodies, and parts of their bodies and check?

“Headquarters” or a place where possibly Hamas people were praying?

France 24.com
^Dawn prayers were shattered by the early morning triple air strike from Israeli warplanes, which gutted Al-Tabieen religious school and mosque in Gaza City.
In the hellish aftermath, body parts were strewn around the rubble and charred, bloodied bodies slumped in the wreckage of the two-storey complex.^

Grim-faced volunteers piled corpses in blood-stained blankets into an ambulance, as seriously wounded men lay groaning on the ground.

Gaza's civil defence agency said at least 93 people were killed, 17 of them women and children, making it one of the war's deadliest strikes.

Israel's military disputed the death toll, saying the school was targeted with "precision munitions" because it "served as an active Hamas and Islamic Jihad military facility".

(nb according to US doctors who had been working in Gaza hospitals they reckon the overall death toll is likely much higher, not lower, than the Gaza authorities are giving out.)

Informatio. About who these 19 people are
https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1822333134978916826

https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1822369854550339752

x.com

https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1822333134978916826

ScrollingLeaves · 10/08/2024 21:33

Haaretz

Turkey's Foreign Ministry said in a statement it released on X that "Israel has committed a new crime against humanity by massacring more than a hundred civilians who had taken refuge in a school building in the Daraj neighbourhood of Gaza City."

Turkey also asserted that "This attack demonstrated once again that the Netanyahu Government intends to sabotage the negotiations for a permanent ceasefire."

"International actors who do not take steps to stop Israel are complicit in Israel's crimes," the statement continued.

EU foreign policy head Josep Borrell also condemned the attack, saying in a post on X, "Horrified by images from a sheltering school in Gaza hit by an Israeli strike, w/ reportedly dozens of Palestinian victims. At least 10 schools were targeted in the last weeks. There's no justification for these massacres."

Despite Erdogan's threats, U.S. is counting on Turkish mediation to avert Mideast war

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https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/2024-08-06/ty-article/.premium/despite-erdogans-threats-u-s-is-counting-on-turkish-mediation-to-avert-mideast-war/00000191-248e-d19b-a3b7-b6df3e220000

ScrollingLeaves · 10/08/2024 21:25

Haaretz

White House: 'Deeply Concerned' Over Israeli Gaza City School Strike; Qatar, EU Condemn 'Massacre'

After rescue services reported that over 90 Palestinians were killed in an airstrike on a Gaza City school compound, the U.K. urged Israel to comply with international law, while Saudi Arabia condemned the strike 'in the strongest possible terms'

Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the U.K., and the EU condemned an Israeli attack Saturday after reports from Gaza said more than 90 Palestinians were killed and dozens wounded in a strike on a Gaza City school sheltering displaced people.

The Israeli army said it targeted a Hamas command center and that the death count was exaggerated.

"According to an initial review, the numbers published by the Hamas-run Government Information Office in Gaza, do not align with the information held by the IDF, the precise munitions used, and the accuracy of the strike," the army's international spokesperson initially said.

Israel Claims 19 Terrorists Were Killed in Strike That Reportedly Killed Over 90 Gazans

Dozens more were wounded in the airstrike that the Israeli army said targeted a Hamas 'command and control center' in the Al-Taba'een school, near a mosque in Daraj Tuffah

Hamas said 90 people had been killed in an Israeli strike on a Gaza City school in which displaced Palestinians were sheltering overnight into Saturday.

The Israel Defense Forces and Shin Bet security service said later Saturday that they were able to verify the deaths of 19 Hamas and Islamic Jihad members who were inside the headquarters that were attacked in the school.

I wonder how? Did they go in and collect their bodies, and parts of their bodies and check?

“Headquarters” or a place where possibly Hamas people were praying?

France 24.com
^Dawn prayers were shattered by the early morning triple air strike from Israeli warplanes, which gutted Al-Tabieen religious school and mosque in Gaza City.
In the hellish aftermath, body parts were strewn around the rubble and charred, bloodied bodies slumped in the wreckage of the two-storey complex.^

Grim-faced volunteers piled corpses in blood-stained blankets into an ambulance, as seriously wounded men lay groaning on the ground.

Gaza's civil defence agency said at least 93 people were killed, 17 of them women and children, making it one of the war's deadliest strikes.

Israel's military disputed the death toll, saying the school was targeted with "precision munitions" because it "served as an active Hamas and Islamic Jihad military facility".

(nb according to US doctors who had been working in Gaza hospitals they reckon the overall death toll is likely much higher, not lower, than the Gaza authorities are giving out.)

Parkingt111 · 10/08/2024 19:09

This was from the VP of the EU

Horrified by images from a sheltering school in Gaza hit by an Israeli strike, w/ reportedly dozens of Palestinian victims.

At least 10 schools were targeted in the last weeks. There’s no justification for these massacres

We are dismayed by the terrible overall death toll.

Parkingt111 · 10/08/2024 19:06

kirinm · 10/08/2024 14:22

I'm sickened by the lack of comment on this from our government and others in the West.

Absolutely grotesque.

David Lammy said he was 'appalled' but that's about it as far as I can see from our government.
Pretty much an understatement considering it was nothing short of a massacre on displaced civilians.

kirinm · 10/08/2024 14:22

I'm sickened by the lack of comment on this from our government and others in the West.

Absolutely grotesque.

Parkingt111 · 10/08/2024 13:00

The brutal attacks that are indiscriminately killing civilians have become so frequent, that it's almost as if the world has become desensitised to it.

This also from sky sums it up:
But it is fair to say that in the past the apparent loss of so many civilians in a military attack in Gaza would be met with soul searching in the Israeli media.
They now happen with such regularity we just move from one to the other. The death toll is approaching 40,000 Palestinian lives in this appalling conflict.

Parkingt111 · 10/08/2024 12:51

Israel has bombed more than a dozen schools housing displaced civilians since July last month. Just think about that, just in the last one and a half months.
I can't understand how they are getting away with it, do Palestinian children not matter?

ScrollingLeaves · 10/08/2024 12:34

PeasfullPerson · 10/08/2024 12:20

I don’t want to look at any of the photos today, what a privilege that I can choose to look away. It’s not because I don’t care, it’s because I’ve seen enough already to know that this is completely wrong and inexcusable.

God help those who can’t look away, those who are surrounded by destruction and death, that they can feel in their bodies, and sense in the air around them. Help those who are forced to try and live like this.

And what about the hostages? I don’t hear much concern for them anymore from the Israeli leaders, only when it can be used as propaganda to justify their attacks or they are attempting to placate the families.

re: “ what about the hostages”
I think Netanyahu and his like have effectively dismissed them, or they would not keep blocking the hostage release and ceasefire deal.

Excerpt from The Times of Israel about the perilous state of the hostages.

Some of the hostages still held by Hamas in Gaza are presumed to be in serious condition and incapable of surviving much longer in captivity, a senior security official told Channel 12 Friday, as pressure increases on the government to accept a ceasefire-for-hostages deal with the terror group.

“We know that some of the hostages will not survive much longer in the conditions in which they are being held, and in light of their physical and mental health,” the senior official told the news station in a report aired Friday.

The source stressed that this was not an assessment or a guess, but a matter on which Israel had clear information.
www.timesofisrael.com/top-security-official-tells-tv-network-some-hostages-dont-have-much-time-left/

PeasfullPerson · 10/08/2024 12:20

I don’t want to look at any of the photos today, what a privilege that I can choose to look away. It’s not because I don’t care, it’s because I’ve seen enough already to know that this is completely wrong and inexcusable.

God help those who can’t look away, those who are surrounded by destruction and death, that they can feel in their bodies, and sense in the air around them. Help those who are forced to try and live like this.

And what about the hostages? I don’t hear much concern for them anymore from the Israeli leaders, only when it can be used as propaganda to justify their attacks or they are attempting to placate the families.

ScrollingLeaves · 10/08/2024 12:16

AhNowTed · 10/08/2024 11:04

They are.

As for the excuse that the school was a Hamas “Command and Control Centre” how likely is it?

Given the IDF particularly target schools, hospitals, mosques and refugee camps or anywhere the displaced Palestinian civilians are likely to be trying to find shelter, aren’t Hamas clever enough to know by now that those are precisely the places to stay away from?

ConnieCounter · 10/08/2024 11:55

The videos and photos I've seen are too horrific for words. The people who did this are barbarians.

God help all those poor people. It's unimaginable.

AhNowTed · 10/08/2024 11:09

@mistaclim (Israeli NGO)

The images coming out of Gaza remind us of the historical sights that Israel asks the world not to forget. Under the false pretense of consideration, Israel diverts millions of people from one place to another.
There are 93,000 wounded in Gaza. About 20 thousand children without a family. Avi Dichter called it Nakba.
This morning, more than 100 IDPs were massacred in the bombing of the Al-Tabi'in school in Gaza.
When the citizens of the enlightened world see these pictures they are outraged, not because they are anti-Semitic.

x.com/mistaclim/status/1822196265427304455?s=46&t=tm415yZZZz0e-dE263leqA

Horrific scenes

AhNowTed · 10/08/2024 11:04

Awful awful scenes

x.com/franceskalbs/status/1822184214860534271?s=46&t=tm415yZZZz0e-dE263leqA

Parkingt111 · 10/08/2024 10:50

This was added by the editor on sky. Even MSM are no longer buying it.

They say they took steps to mitigate civilian harm including aerial surveillance and intelligence gathered before the strike.
If so those steps appear to have failed. The footage from inside the building is horrendous, a scene of carnage with dozens of bodies and body parts.
We have counted 20 bodies from the pictures, Palestinians say as many as a 100 died.

ConnieCounter · 10/08/2024 09:12

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