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This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 09/07/2024 18:08

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

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Dulra · 14/08/2024 22:52

Hmmm if you keep needing to say you're the most moral country and the most moral army it kind of suggests the opposite. I have never heard any other country describe themselves or their army in that way.

ScrollingLeaves · 14/08/2024 22:32

Dulra · 14/08/2024 17:39

Read the article it talks about it is a collective mentality. There's no judgement here just trying to understand it.

I would say the article contributes considerably to an understanding of why Israelis might have certain attitudes towards Palestinians which people looking in from outside would not, even at the same time as showing the tragic outcome.

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Read the article it talks about it is a collective mentality. There's no judgement here just trying to understand it.

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ScrollingLeaves · 14/08/2024 13:03

Dulra · 14/08/2024 10:18

Finally got a chance to read this piece, it is a very disturbing read and highlights how important it is for the international community to safeguard Palestinians in this conflict. Israelis are unable to take on or accept Palestinian death and suffering or care about it due to their own, which is a very scary space for Palestinians. Their lives and suffering don't matter to the IDF so the international community need to protect them from this revenge and the them or us mentality.

Israelis are unable to take on or accept Palestinian death and suffering or care about it due to their own, which is a very scary space for Palestinians

I think you put this well. The article compellingly portrayed this.

Dulra · 14/08/2024 10:18

Finally got a chance to read this piece, it is a very disturbing read and highlights how important it is for the international community to safeguard Palestinians in this conflict. Israelis are unable to take on or accept Palestinian death and suffering or care about it due to their own, which is a very scary space for Palestinians. Their lives and suffering don't matter to the IDF so the international community need to protect them from this revenge and the them or us mentality.

lionlass · 13/08/2024 21:09

ScrollingLeaves · 13/08/2024 20:26

Haaretz

"Gaza's schools have been closed since the war began, and the buildings serve as shelters for the displaced civilian population. This is a well-known fact, even to the IDF. Some of the people sheltering there were sleeping, some were praying the morning prayers in the compound's mosque. The Israeli public has heard nothing about them, certainly not from the Israeli media. All over the world the media serves to reveal the truth, but in Israel it acts like a babysitter whose job is to protect the citizens so that they won't be forced to know what is happening" – Sheren Falah Saab

The UK media isn't much better. If it wasn't for social media we wouldn't know half of the things that have happened. It's a disgrace.

ScrollingLeaves · 13/08/2024 20:26

Haaretz

"Gaza's schools have been closed since the war began, and the buildings serve as shelters for the displaced civilian population. This is a well-known fact, even to the IDF. Some of the people sheltering there were sleeping, some were praying the morning prayers in the compound's mosque. The Israeli public has heard nothing about them, certainly not from the Israeli media. All over the world the media serves to reveal the truth, but in Israel it acts like a babysitter whose job is to protect the citizens so that they won't be forced to know what is happening" – Sheren Falah Saab

On Saturday, Gazans collected body parts in plastic bags. Israelis stayed unbothered | Opinion

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Martymcfly24 · 13/08/2024 19:40

As a previous poster said it is classic Trump like behavior.
If there was not evidence of the unbelievable acts and words of aggressions you simply could not believe anybody nevermind someone in a position of power could behave like that.

Mellowdramadrama · 13/08/2024 19:30

Martymcfly24 · 13/08/2024 19:26

I agree with you completely about what Ben Gvir did. He took what was obviously a fragile compromise and turned it into an act to goad Muslims.
The irony of using prayer to incite violence .
I just didn't know anything about the issue and wanted to read up on it today ..

If you look at the pattern of his behaviour, in words and actions, they are almost always controversial and contrary to maintaining stability. It is no wonder he is known as the 'minister of chaos'.

Martymcfly24 · 13/08/2024 19:26

kirinm · 13/08/2024 19:10

Sorry! This was meant for @Martymcfly24

I agree with you completely about what Ben Gvir did. He took what was obviously a fragile compromise and turned it into an act to goad Muslims.
The irony of using prayer to incite violence .
I just didn't know anything about the issue and wanted to read up on it today ..

Mellowdramadrama · 13/08/2024 19:22

kirinm · 13/08/2024 19:12

Oh my god, sorry. That post was aimed at another poster because I don't think their 'oh this is a bit mean for jewish people isn't it since Islam is a much younger religion' seemed quite goady.

Don't worry I understood and I agree with you.

kirinm · 13/08/2024 19:12

Oh my god, sorry. That post was aimed at another poster because I don't think their 'oh this is a bit mean for jewish people isn't it since Islam is a much younger religion' seemed quite goady.

kirinm · 13/08/2024 19:10

kirinm · 13/08/2024 19:10

@Mellowdramadrama does it? Or does it seem like there was a consensus reached for quite complicated religious and political reasons? That consensus now having been breached just because Israel now does whatever it likes.

Sorry! This was meant for @Martymcfly24

kirinm · 13/08/2024 19:10

@Mellowdramadrama does it? Or does it seem like there was a consensus reached for quite complicated religious and political reasons? That consensus now having been breached just because Israel now does whatever it likes.

Mellowdramadrama · 13/08/2024 19:05

Moreofthesamenothanks · 13/08/2024 18:05

Could someone explain how visiting or praying on Temple Mount which has been sacred to Jewish people for thousands of years is awful when Islam, a newer religion calls it their 3rd most important site and it didn't enter the religion until a couple of thousand years later?

Why can't all religions pray or visit as long as peacefully?

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Netanyahu is spineless, what sort of Prime Minister continuously allows members of his government to openly go against his own words and continue to act in ways that are harmful to diplomacy in such a crucial time.
Religion aside, you think Ben Gvir doesn't know the impact of his actions on Israel and it's relationship with allies. So much so that he was criticised by the EU and the US today. He is like Trump, a narcissist who loves chaos and the limelight.

Mellowdramadrama · 13/08/2024 18:52

Thanks for sharing this, just read through it now and it's certainly eye opening.

Martymcfly24 · 13/08/2024 18:34

Yeah it does.
To be fair though it does seem like it's a compromise that works between the two. I liked the words of the Israeli Defence Minister at the time "We did not come to conquer the sacred sites of others or to restrict their religious rights, but rather to ensure the integrity of the city and to live in it with others in fraternity.”

Moreofthesamenothanks · 13/08/2024 18:29

Martymcfly24 · 13/08/2024 18:20

I did not understand the significance at all but I was looking it up earlier and this site explained it sorry for the long link
well.www.ajc.org/news/what-to-know-about-jerusalems-temple-mount-and-the-status-quo-agreement#:~:text=Jewish%20visitors%20are%20allowed%20to,to%20avoid%20provoking%20interreligious%20conflict.

Thank you.

It's seems a but unfair that Jewish people are not allowed to pray on their most sacred site (only allowed to pray nearby) but Muslims are. It wasn't even holy to them until thousands of years later. Religions are strange.

Martymcfly24 · 13/08/2024 18:20

Moreofthesamenothanks · 13/08/2024 18:05

Could someone explain how visiting or praying on Temple Mount which has been sacred to Jewish people for thousands of years is awful when Islam, a newer religion calls it their 3rd most important site and it didn't enter the religion until a couple of thousand years later?

Why can't all religions pray or visit as long as peacefully?

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I did not understand the significance at all but I was looking it up earlier and this site explained it sorry for the long link
well.www.ajc.org/news/what-to-know-about-jerusalems-temple-mount-and-the-status-quo-agreement#:~:text=Jewish%20visitors%20are%20allowed%20to,to%20avoid%20provoking%20interreligious%20conflict.

Moreofthesamenothanks · 13/08/2024 18:05

ScrollingLeaves · 13/08/2024 10:48

While people are trying to persuade Iran not to attack Israel, while negotiations for the release of the hostages and a ceasefire are on the brink of coming to a head one way or another, Ben-Givr took 1,500 Israelis to pray on the Temple Mount in a clear infraction of the law.

Presumably he wants a full-on war with Iran, to leave the hostages to gradually die or be killed, the war with Gaza to continue, and to show the Israeli government that he is in charge.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-814514

Could someone explain how visiting or praying on Temple Mount which has been sacred to Jewish people for thousands of years is awful when Islam, a newer religion calls it their 3rd most important site and it didn't enter the religion until a couple of thousand years later?

Why can't all religions pray or visit as long as peacefully?

Molymoly · 13/08/2024 17:43

This is heartbreaking. I don't know what else to say.

www.instagram.com/p/C-m1-kjup_C/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

TheOnlyCherryOnMyTree · 13/08/2024 13:21

That was a really interesting piece, incredibly bleak though.