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This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 09/07/2024 18:08

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

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ConnieCounter · 18/08/2024 23:20

Not a hope it'll happen.

EasterIssland · 18/08/2024 22:06

ConnieCounter · 18/08/2024 22:02

I saw that. And when I heard of plans for a polio vaccination programme my first thought was 'oh God I hope they don't target vaccination centres'. That's how fucked up this conflict is. That that might be a concern.

I read the UN has asked for a ceasefire for having a chance for vaccinating the population but doubt it’ll happen

ConnieCounter · 18/08/2024 22:02

ScrollingLeaves · 18/08/2024 21:56

And there is now a known case of a baby with polio.

I saw that. And when I heard of plans for a polio vaccination programme my first thought was 'oh God I hope they don't target vaccination centres'. That's how fucked up this conflict is. That that might be a concern.

ScrollingLeaves · 18/08/2024 21:56

ConnieCounter · 18/08/2024 21:14

I just saw a video of a mother with a 7 month old baby who is starving. They've been moved from place to place when the Israelis order them out. I couldn't finish the video. It's just barbaric. The number of children who are dying from hunger or lack of medical or other care must be huge. I can't believe this is being allowed to go on.

And there is now a known case of a baby with polio.

ConnieCounter · 18/08/2024 21:14

I just saw a video of a mother with a 7 month old baby who is starving. They've been moved from place to place when the Israelis order them out. I couldn't finish the video. It's just barbaric. The number of children who are dying from hunger or lack of medical or other care must be huge. I can't believe this is being allowed to go on.

EasterIssland · 18/08/2024 04:36

ConnieCounter · 17/08/2024 23:46

The apartment was bombed. Just the one apartment out of the entire block so they can be targeted when they want to be.

Targeting a mother and her newborn twins is just beyond savage. She had been outspoken about what she had seen as a medical professional.

I’ve read as well that she was targeted because she had criticised Israel and IDF and they waited til the father was out to do it

BelleHathor · 18/08/2024 00:57

ConnieCounter · 17/08/2024 23:46

The apartment was bombed. Just the one apartment out of the entire block so they can be targeted when they want to be.

Targeting a mother and her newborn twins is just beyond savage. She had been outspoken about what she had seen as a medical professional.

From the Gazans that speak to us on Twitter. Doctors are having to move through Gaza with no obvious medical wear as they are being deliberately targeted.

How else do you totally wipe out a population? By ensuring that there are no people or supplies to treat them.

ConnieCounter · 17/08/2024 23:46

anotherlevel · 17/08/2024 23:25

It's just absolutely ridiculous because what excuse could they possibly have to kill a horse? I'd like to see who would defend this and why.

Yesterday I saw another targeted attack whereby a sniper killed a mum and her newborn twins in their home. They were 4 days old I believe.

The apartment was bombed. Just the one apartment out of the entire block so they can be targeted when they want to be.

Targeting a mother and her newborn twins is just beyond savage. She had been outspoken about what she had seen as a medical professional.

anotherlevel · 17/08/2024 23:25

It's just absolutely ridiculous because what excuse could they possibly have to kill a horse? I'd like to see who would defend this and why.

Yesterday I saw another targeted attack whereby a sniper killed a mum and her newborn twins in their home. They were 4 days old I believe.

ConnieCounter · 17/08/2024 21:59

ScrollingLeaves · 17/08/2024 19:43

About that horse. Sick, sick monsters.
They didn’t even know how to kill it outright.

I see it is something they seem to pride themselves on, as they filmed themselves actually shelling some horse in a field last February too.

This army is out of control. It is command free and moral free.

I saw the video show up on my social media but I didn't watch it.

I think it's fair to say that it's policy at this stage. If they don't face any consequences for anything they do it's obviously sanctioned by the organisation and presumably the government.

ScrollingLeaves · 17/08/2024 19:43

About that horse. Sick, sick monsters.
They didn’t even know how to kill it outright.

I see it is something they seem to pride themselves on, as they filmed themselves actually shelling some horse in a field last February too.

This army is out of control. It is command free and moral free.

BelleHathor · 17/08/2024 19:30

anotherlevel · 17/08/2024 18:19

Just seen footage of a horse being shot dead whilst pulling a cart of food I think. Was the horse Hamas?

The Horse was just carrying flour. I had couldn't watch it, the indiscriminate killing is a level of darkness never seen before.

Mellowdramadrama · 17/08/2024 18:33

@anotherlevel the IDF do alot of killing, already at 40,000 deaths. I don't think they would be too bothered by a horse if they pay no mind to humans or even newborn babies

anotherlevel · 17/08/2024 18:19

Just seen footage of a horse being shot dead whilst pulling a cart of food I think. Was the horse Hamas?

BelleHathor · 16/08/2024 23:58

ScrollingLeaves · 16/08/2024 23:26

It is an extraordinary feeling to see that propaganda of fear video and
suddenly look from a Western, breezy, sense of security into
this dark underground network of tunnels prepared for war.

Imagine having tunnels begin enough for huge trucks carrying weapons

It absolutely is, this is the first time ever that Hezbollah have "shown" the extent of their capabilities. Some experts are speculating that it's precisely because they don't want an escalation and they're hoping the sight of it will knock some sense into America to reign Netanyahu in. Gallant has already called his fantasy of an absolute victory nonsense.

Tunnels were used by the Vietnamese to beat the American during that war.
https://www.thenmusa.org/articles/tunnel-rats-of-the-vietnam-war/

National Museum of the United States Army

https://www.thenmusa.org/articles/tunnel-rats-of-the-vietnam-war

ScrollingLeaves · 16/08/2024 23:26

BelleHathor · 16/08/2024 22:18

That's a crazy strategy from Netanyahu, his megalomaniac tendencies are gambling it on all or nothing.
Hezbollah released this video of their underground city today:
https://x.com/TheCradleMedia/status/1824368443753144348

It is an extraordinary feeling to see that propaganda of fear video and
suddenly look from a Western, breezy, sense of security into
this dark underground network of tunnels prepared for war.

Imagine having tunnels begin enough for huge trucks carrying weapons

BelleHathor · 16/08/2024 22:18

That's a crazy strategy from Netanyahu, his megalomaniac tendencies are gambling it on all or nothing.
Hezbollah released this video of their underground city today:
https://x.com/TheCradleMedia/status/1824368443753144348

x.com

https://x.com/TheCradleMedia/status/1824368443753144348

ScrollingLeaves · 16/08/2024 21:22

Haaretz

ISRAEL-IRAN: Israel's Foreign Minister Israel Katz met with visiting counterparts from the U.K. and France and said, "If Iran attacks, we expect the coalition to join Israel not only in defense but also in striking significant targets in Iran."

It feels wrong to me that that is their expectation.

Haaretz

Israeli critics have also argued, not without reason, that Netanyahu wants to pull his U.S. and Arab allies into a full-blown war, presumably hoping that Iran can be vanquished along with its axis. We might not live to know if the strategy works" – Dahlia Scheindlin

On the Israeli left, there is still an alternative to all-out war with Iran

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PeasfullPerson · 15/08/2024 16:55

Really insightful article that delves into the perceptions within Israel that are used to justify the atrocities in Palestine, and touches on the traumatic history and experiences behind it.

How depressing and lonely it must be
to see this while being among it.

I think the recently deceased Israeli psychologist Kahneman would say that Israel as a state is suffering from being unable to accept any outside views, no matter how valid they are.

Thanks for sharing @EasterIssland would recommend people reading this.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/08/2024 15:10

EasterIssland · 15/08/2024 11:32

Haaretz
The Numbers Show: Gaza War Is One of the Bloodiest in the 21st Century

As the Gaza death toll approaches 40,000, Haaretz examines the data from a global perspective. The rate and pace of deaths - as well as the living conditions of those still alive – overshadow the conflicts in Iraq, Ukraine and Myanmar

One of the favorite arguments of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and other Israeli spokespeople, is to accuse the international community of hypocrisy concerning the war in the Gaza Strip – and to claim it is ignoring other conflicts and humanitarian disasters.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/08/2024 13:12

The Today programme on Radio 4 about 2:50 mins in, talked about a book written by a Palestinian who had experienced a dreadful and tragic event in the West Bank when a bus full of nursery children overturned and caught fire on an Israeli road. No ambulance arrived for over half an hour even though it was a well used road.
It is through this that we also learn of the desperate conditions the Palestinians live under there where even trying to get the children to hospital was fraught with difficulties and checkpoints.

You may have to sign up to listen if you don’t have an account.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0021xs2

The book is:
A Day in the Life of Abed Salama: a Palestine Story

Today - 15/08/24 - Justin Webb and Emma Barnett - BBC Sounds

News and current affairs, including Sports Desk, Weather and Thought for the Day.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0021xs2

lionlass · 15/08/2024 07:23

I just saw a video of someone placing a little boys legs in a bag next to the other half of his body. He couldn't have been more than 3 or 4. I can barely comprehend the things I've seen these last 10 months. I can't wait for the day that justice is served.

ScrollingLeaves · 14/08/2024 23:32

EasterIssland · 14/08/2024 23:10

Haaretz’s description of these poor men.
It is a bit like using them as throwaway slaves.

“At first it's hard to recognize them. They're usually wearing Israeli army uniforms, many of them are in their 20s, and they're always with Israeli soldiers of various ranks. But if you look more closely, you see that most of them are wearing sneakers, not army boots. And their hands are cuffed behind their backs and their faces are full of fear. The soldiers call each of them a shawish, an obscure Arabic word of Turkish origin meaning sergeant. Random Palestinians have been used by Israeli army units in the Gaza Strip for one purpose: to serve as human shields for soldiers during operations" – Yaniv Kubovich & Michael Hauser Tov

IDF uses Gazan civilians as human shields to inspect potentially booby-trapped tunnels

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