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This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 09/07/2024 18:08

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

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anotherlevel · 26/08/2024 23:23

I'm seeing reports of a 26 year old Palestinian man murdered in Belgium, he was found tied to a tree. Not seen anything on google yet about it.

ToBeDetermined · 26/08/2024 22:05

I for one cannot understand why Lammy has asked for yet another review of the legality of selling arms to Israel. It’s like they have several reviews already by legal experts saying it is illegal and being complicit in genocide and he is just doing the asking for review after review until he gets the answer he wants?

Why?! When is enough, enough?

PeasfullPerson · 26/08/2024 21:53

So let it echo.

PeasfullPerson · 26/08/2024 21:52

Well, when the voices of people in pain are trying to be silenced then echo’s are a good thing, and when you witness another persons pain being ignored, then company is comforting.

anotherlevel · 26/08/2024 21:30

anotherlevel · 26/08/2024 21:00

To the world, it doesn't matter and no one on here will condemn it either I'm sure.

Sad but true. They'll say it's an echo chamber etc.

anotherlevel · 26/08/2024 21:00

To the world, it doesn't matter and no one on here will condemn it either I'm sure.

Mellowdramadrama · 26/08/2024 20:18

Scirocco · 26/08/2024 20:15

When historic sites were destroyed elsewhere in the world, it was terrorism and barbarity. When it happens in Palestine, it just gets brushed under the carpet.

I have hardly seen this reported anywhere either. It's so upsetting how it doesn't seem to matter that this is happening. They blew up the whole mosque!

Scirocco · 26/08/2024 20:16

Destruction of culture and history is a part of what is meant by the term genocide.

Scirocco · 26/08/2024 20:15

Mellowdramadrama · 26/08/2024 20:12

Why!? Just why? Is it not bad enough that they have destroyed Gaza and murdered thousands. Why must they add insult to injury by desecrating the Quran and blowing up mosques??

When historic sites were destroyed elsewhere in the world, it was terrorism and barbarity. When it happens in Palestine, it just gets brushed under the carpet.

Mellowdramadrama · 26/08/2024 20:12

Scirocco · 26/08/2024 19:50

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/8/25/video-of-israeli-forces-burning-the-quran-and-bombing-gaza-mosque

Burning and destroying copies of the Qur'an, and bombing centuries-old mosques.

Why!? Just why? Is it not bad enough that they have destroyed Gaza and murdered thousands. Why must they add insult to injury by desecrating the Quran and blowing up mosques??

Dulra · 26/08/2024 18:09

RTE news : UN humanitarian operations in Gaza forced to halt

http://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2024/0826/1466668-middle-east/

Due to fresh evacuation orders. Relentless. It is a brutal ineffective campaign by the IDF and Israeli government going on now for close to 10 months

UN humanitarian operations in Gaza forced to halt

UN humanitarian aid operations in Gaza have ground to a halt following fresh evacuation orders issued by the Israeli military yesterday.

http://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2024/0826/1466668-middle-east

Scirocco · 26/08/2024 16:57

Dulra · 26/08/2024 16:53

It's desperate and the world has stood by and let it get to this

And people who say it isn't right, get accused of extremism and hatred...

Dulra · 26/08/2024 16:53

Scirocco · 26/08/2024 16:42

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2kjzk75eplo

This is a public health emergency. This campaign is destroying Palestine and Palestinian lives. People should not be subjected to this.

It's desperate and the world has stood by and let it get to this

Kindatired · 25/08/2024 21:50

@ConnieCounter Nope. BBC says clearly Isreal started it first. Pre-emptive apparently. Then 300 missiles fired back by Hezbollah. But, regardless of which side started firing first today, Israel hardly expected that attacking sites in Lebanon would not be interpreted as provocative. It seems we are seeing Netanyahu talking out of both sides of the mouth again- “We don’t want an all out war” and “We don’t want war but we can’t handle all these hostile Arab states long term unless we draw the US further in and better now while US support for Israel remains high”. Also , the Iron dome is very resource intensive even though it’s effective- costs about 10,000 usd per missile stopped so do the math- not sustainable.

ConnieCounter · 25/08/2024 21:30

Moreofthesamenothanks · 25/08/2024 20:47

News stations overnight suggested hundreds of rockets fired into Israel then Israel responded. Stories today forgot to mention the reason Israelies can no longer live in Northern Israel

The attacks last night? Israel attacked first didn't they? Or has the story changed? I haven't read about it since this morning.

Moreofthesamenothanks · 25/08/2024 20:47

News stations overnight suggested hundreds of rockets fired into Israel then Israel responded. Stories today forgot to mention the reason Israelies can no longer live in Northern Israel

ScrollingLeaves · 25/08/2024 08:56

Thank you. I wonder if by pre-emptively striking Hezbollah, Israel was worried the hostage release and ceasefire plans might be successful soon?

It looks like a worrying escalation, and a concerning repeat of Gaza, with the IDF telling citizens to leave the area where Hezbollah is operating.

IDF calls airstrikes inside Lebanon an 'act of self-defence'
Israeli Defence Forces spokesman Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari said in a statement early on Sunday: "‎‏In a self-defence act to remove these threats, the (Israeli military) is striking terror targets in Lebanon, from which Hezbollah was planning to launch their attacks on Israeli civilians.

"We can see that Hezbollah is preparing to launch an extensive attack on Israel, while endangering the Lebanese civilians," he added, without providing details.

"‎‏We warn the civilians located in the areas where Hezbollah is operating to move out of harm’s way immediately for their own safety."

ScrollingLeaves · 24/08/2024 22:58

Haaretz again on this lawlessness

Channel 12 News reported that Israel's Shin Bet head Ronen Bar told Netanyahu there are essentially "no police in Israel" during a discussion on last week's deadly settler raid on the Palestinian town of Jit in the West Bank. Only two arrests have been made in the case.

Jewish settlers descend on West Bank village; Palestinian killed, one critically wounded

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https://haaretz.us18.list-manage.com/track/click?u=d3bceadb340d6af4daf1de00d&id=083eea8802&e=4dc3839227

ScrollingLeaves · 24/08/2024 16:05

PeasfullPerson · 23/08/2024 22:21

There is more about it here @ScrollingLeaves

I haven’t seen the whole letter either, but I imagine he at least means both of them.

With specific reference to Ben-Gvir…..

‘The Shin Bet director also referred to the “spectacle” of Ben-Gvir’s visit last month to the compound of al-Aqsa mosque and Dome of the Rock, Islam’s holiest site in Jerusalem. The esplanade is also holy to Jews who know it as the Temple Mount, but the status quo for decades has been that while Jews could visit, only Muslims could pray there. During his 18 July visit, Ben-Gvir led prayers in front of the cameras and vowed to change the status quo permanently.’

More generally ……

‘The nationalist leadership, Bar concluded, was “willing to jeopardise the state’s security and its very existence” in the name of their ideology.’

AND

‘Bar warned the hilltop youth had gone “from evading the security forces to attacking the security forces, from cutting themselves off from the establishment to receiving legitimacy from certain officials in the establishment”.’

Perhaps they should listen to him! Thank god in our own country, we now have a government that isn’t in danger of legitimising and weaponising such divisive hatred.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/23/israeli-security-chief-ronen-bar-hilltop-youth-west-bank

And some more from Haaretz here, making it clearer,

ISRAEL: Shin Bet chief Ronen Bar warned PM Netanyahu, ministers and the attorney general that Jewish terrorism in the West Bank is endangering Israel's existence, according to a letter published by Israel's Channel 12 News. In the letter, Bar wrote that Jewish terrorist leaders "want to cause the system to lose control, causing indescribable damage to Israel," adding that police incompetence in the face of these acts and "perhaps a sense of hidden support" for them are increasing considerably, reflected in "the significant expansion" of those taking part in these acts.

  • Bar noted that the perpetrators of Jewish terror have lost all fear of administrative detention "due to the conditions they get in prison and the funds they receive after their release from Knesset members as well as legitimacy and praise, alongside a delegitimization campaign against the defense officials." The letter also mentioned far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir's recent visit to the Temple Mount, when hundreds of Jews prayed with him in violation of the status quo, adding that such acts could drag Israel "to profuse bloodshed and change the state's face unrecognizably."
  • After Ben-Gvir subsequently called to fire Bar, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant released a statement saying that "in the face of Minister Ben-Gvir's reckless actions that threaten Israel's national security and create internal division, the head of the Shin Bet and his people are performing their duty and warning against the serious consequences of these actions."

Shin Bet chief warns PM and ministers: Jewish terror is jeopardizing Israel's existence

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https://haaretz.us18.list-manage.com/track/click?u=d3bceadb340d6af4daf1de00d&id=32b008c533&e=4dc3839227

PeasfullPerson · 23/08/2024 22:25

stormy4319trevor · 23/08/2024 20:16

There must surely be a minimu of a pause to allow polio vaccinations. How terrible to see a resurgence of an illness so easily preventable by vaccination.

It’s appalling, it mostly impacts children and there is a way to prevent it.

Why no mention of this when discussing the cease fire, why at least no push for an immediate pause. Did the statisticians who worked out the possible indirect numbers of death factor Polio into their equations, or is this now going to be even worse?

More children are now going to suffer and die, and for what??