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This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 09/07/2024 18:08

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

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Dulra · 06/09/2024 17:09

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Anyone can claim to represent over nine million people, doesn't make it true.

Agreed so hopefully they will be cancelled and silenced, hate speech should not be tolerated anywhere.

PeasfullPerson · 06/09/2024 17:08

It must have taken quite a while for things to get to the point where shooting someone in the head can be shrugged off, and in the context of ongoing crimes, doesn’t seem like a big event. But if you keep getting away with it, and you don’t have the internal moral capacity to accept right from wrong, then what is the imperative to stop.

Scirocco · 06/09/2024 16:04

EasterIssland · 06/09/2024 13:42

after being shot directly to the head

like the girl from the other day. IDF are going to be busy investigating why so many innocent civilians have been shot directly to the head

Consistently accidentally shooting people in the head is pretty hard. There's only really one reason to aim for and shoot someone in the head.

ConnieCounter · 06/09/2024 16:03

Hopefully people in Israel will try to get them deplatformed. They should be removed from YouTube and whatever platform hosts the podcast given it is obvious hate speech.

TheFakeJonSnow · 06/09/2024 15:48

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ScrollingLeaves · 06/09/2024 15:20

EasterIssland · 06/09/2024 13:42

after being shot directly to the head

like the girl from the other day. IDF are going to be busy investigating why so many innocent civilians have been shot directly to the head

Yes another innocent person intentionally sniped at, it seems.

ScrollingLeaves · 06/09/2024 15:17

Thank you. It is good the evil podcast Two Good Jewish Boys has been picked up on. Jewish Israeli people themselves might like to know what horrific things they are saying and spreading in their names.

BelleHathor · 06/09/2024 13:43

EasterIssland · 06/09/2024 13:42

after being shot directly to the head

like the girl from the other day. IDF are going to be busy investigating why so many innocent civilians have been shot directly to the head

Investigating and clearing themselves of any wrongdoing....

EasterIssland · 06/09/2024 13:42

after being shot directly to the head

like the girl from the other day. IDF are going to be busy investigating why so many innocent civilians have been shot directly to the head

EasterIssland · 06/09/2024 13:41

BelleHathor · 06/09/2024 13:40

On another notes an American citizen, Esnor Ezki who was protecting Palestinians in the West Bank has just been killed/ murdered by the IDF. May she rest in peace 💐
https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1832021916195930131

Posted about them in another thread. Apparently she only arrived on Tuesday to Palestine

BelleHathor · 06/09/2024 13:40

On another notes an American citizen, Esnor Ezki who was protecting Palestinians in the West Bank has just been killed/ murdered by the IDF. May she rest in peace 💐
https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1832021916195930131

x.com

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1832021916195930131

BelleHathor · 06/09/2024 13:37

EasterIssland · 06/09/2024 13:33

Israeli MP Avigdor Lieberman has called for Israel to halt food shipments to Gaza, stating that such deliveries are “intolerable” while Hamas continues to hold Israeli captives.
“We must stop this lifeline immediately,” Lieberman wrote in a post on X. “No food products, no cigarettes and no additional luxuries.”

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wonder how the hostages are going to eat

They're too stupid or blinded by vengeance to actually care about how their actions will affect the hostages (or see them as acceptable "collateral damage" to win).

Look at the threats to "shut up or else" that some hostages families are getting.

EasterIssland · 06/09/2024 13:33

Israeli MP Avigdor Lieberman has called for Israel to halt food shipments to Gaza, stating that such deliveries are “intolerable” while Hamas continues to hold Israeli captives.
“We must stop this lifeline immediately,” Lieberman wrote in a post on X. “No food products, no cigarettes and no additional luxuries.”

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wonder how the hostages are going to eat

ScrollingLeaves · 06/09/2024 10:59

It seems unsurprising that Netanyahu does not want a full enquiry if this is correct. If it is, then Netanyahu is lying.

Haaretz 30 August
Report: Shin Bet Chief Warned Netanyahu of Imminent War Before Oct. 7; PM: Gaza Not Mentioned
Ronen Bar, the leader of the Shin Bet security service, warned PM Netanyahu in July 2023 that war was imminent, according to a report by Yedioth Ahronoth daily. Opposition leader Yair Lapid recounted the meeting with the Shin Bet chief to the civilian commission of inquiry into Oct. 7

The head of Israel's Shin Bet security service warned Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in July 2023 that war was imminent, according to a report published on Friday in Yediot Ahronoth.

The report states that Shin Bet chief Ronen Bar held a meeting with Netanyahu on the eve of the vote to forbid judges from invoking the reasonableness clause in cases – one of the key elements in the Netanyahu government's judicial overhaul plan.

Bar told Netanyahu that he couldn't say the exact day and time the war would begin. Bar received Netanyahu's permission to share this intelligence with Opposition Leader Yair Lapid, and subsequently gave him a similar message.

Shin Bet officials didn't deny the report but said they wouldn't comment on discussions with political leaders. The Prime Minister's Office denied there was any warning about war in the Gaza Strip.

"Prime Minister Netanyahu didn't get any warning about war in Gaza – not on the date in question and not a moment before 6:29 A.M. on <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/bAt61/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-18/ty-article-static/.premium/what-happened-on-oct-7/0000018e-c1b7-dc93-adce-eff753020000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">October 7," the PMO stated.

"On the contrary, all security sources explicitly stated – as appears in the minutes of the meeting up until the war's eve – that <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/bAt61/www.haaretz.com/ty-tag/hamas-0000017f-da26-d938-a17f-fe2e53320000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hamas was deterred and sought to reach an arrangement. Moreover, just days before October 7, the Shin Bet assessment was that it could expect Gaza to remain stable over time," Netanyahu's office said.

On Thursday, <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/bAt61/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-08-29/ty-article/.premium/lapid-netanyahu-was-bored-indifferent-to-pre-oct-7-warnings-during-joint-briefing/00000191-9da1-da8a-a991-bfe514450000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lapid discussed Bar's warning with the civilian commission of inquiry into the October 7 massacre. "I'd like to refute the notion that political leaders weren't told that Hamas was not deterred. I was told. The material I saw was shown to the cabinet as well," Lapid said.

The opposition leader recounted meeting Bar the night before the reasonableness standard <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/bAt61/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-07-24/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-government-passes-key-judicial-coup-law-amid-mass-protests-across-country/00000189-8704-def4-a7ef-a735dd5d0000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">was canceled, where he received "unprecedented warnings about the security risks and internal divisions caused by the judicial overhaul."

Lapid said he asked the Shin Bet chief if these warnings were also conveyed to Netanyahu and cabinet ministers, to which the answer was "of course," adding that President Isaac Herzog was also updated on the growing threats.

Lapid also told the commission that the military secretary to the prime minister informed him about a year ago that terror organizations had detected a weakness in Israel because of the <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/bAt61/www.haaretz.com/ty-tag/judicial-coup-00000187-3262-db91-adcf-3f771b510000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">judicial overhaulattempts. Lapid asserted that the secretary at the time, Maj. Gen. Avi Gil, told Netanyahu as much at a security update that Lapid attended on August 21, 2023. He added that Netanyahu looked "bored and indifferent" to him.

According to Lapid, Gen. Gil claimed that terrorist organizations perceived "weakness, internal division, tension, and a loss of combat fitness in the army, alongside an ongoing crisis with the Americans." Because of this situation, he participated in several hearings in the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee. "I was presented with intelligence at the highest level of classification. Its implications were clear: Israel is at an exceptionally high level of risk," he said.

Lapid told the commission that an increase in threats against Israel was presented to the committee's participants during a meeting in September. "What was stated there was – in my view – unequivocal. Israeli deterrence has dramatically eroded, and our enemies believe they have a rare opportunity to harm us," he said.

He added that he made a media statement following the meeting, in which he stressed the growing danger. "All the heads of the defense establishment, the IDF, Shin Bet security service, police and intelligence agencies are <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/bAt61/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-23/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-denies-the-idf-warned-him-before-oct-7-of-hamas-intention-to-attack-israel/0000018f-a5b0-d0b4-a3cf-b7bc32b10000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">warning the government and the [security] cabinet of a violent escalation," he said at the time.

BelleHathor · 06/09/2024 09:39

Dulra · 06/09/2024 09:25

Slightly off topic but why does Netanyahu have a TV channel?

It appears that the Channel is particularly dedicated to the Political right wing in Israel hence calling it Netanyahu's Channel. Must be a bit like people say GBNEWS in the UK is the Reform party Channel.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_14_(Israel)

Channel 14 (Israel) - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_14_(Israel)

ScrollingLeaves · 06/09/2024 09:36

Dulra · 06/09/2024 09:14

Very sobering read.

The Lancet medical journal recently published an estimate of deaths in Gaza from several respected scientists, who outline their process of estimation (comparison with similar conflicts) and final numbers. They estimate that about 186,000 total deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza, which is roughly 7.9% of its population, by mid-June 2024. This high number is despite various ceasefire agreements over the past six months. If deaths continue at this rate – about 23,000 a month – there would be an additional 149,500 deaths by the end of the year, some six and half months from the initial mid-June estimate. Using the method, the total deaths since the conflict began would be estimated at about 335,500 in total.

When it comes to Gaza suddenly nobody is listening and everyone turns their back.
@TheOnlyCherryOnMyTree Because when the report referenced above in the article was published there was a campaign to completely discredit it and then no one knows what to believe. Not letting independent observers or assessors in makes it far too easy for Israel to discredit anything negative that comes out of Gaza are call it terrorist propaganda, they definitely have it all sown up and just name call and bully anyone, any organisation or any state that dares disagree or speak ill of them

When the article was published there was a campaign to completely discredit it and then no one knows what to believe.

I remember the writer of the Guardian article tgat Scirroco posted, Prof Devi Sridhar, who is chair of global public health at the University of Edinburgh.

She often spoke as an expert on the television news to explain matters during the covid pandemic, and was evidently regarded as expert and reliable.

Dulra · 06/09/2024 09:25

EasterIssland · 06/09/2024 09:15

Several imaged from what has been happening in West Bank

Israeli soldiers share footage with Netenyahu’s channel 14 depicting them humiliating young Palestinian girls, women and elderly in Jenin during their invasion to the city
https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1831964624268534214

Israeli soldiers from the 92nd Battalion took a mocking selfie with a kidnapped Palestinian elderly from the city Posted today on one of the soldiers' social media accounts.
https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1831670498524102740

first Gaza, now west banK

Slightly off topic but why does Netanyahu have a TV channel?

EasterIssland · 06/09/2024 09:15

Several imaged from what has been happening in West Bank

Israeli soldiers share footage with Netenyahu’s channel 14 depicting them humiliating young Palestinian girls, women and elderly in Jenin during their invasion to the city
https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1831964624268534214

Israeli soldiers from the 92nd Battalion took a mocking selfie with a kidnapped Palestinian elderly from the city Posted today on one of the soldiers' social media accounts.
https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1831670498524102740

first Gaza, now west banK

x.com

https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1831670498524102740

Dulra · 06/09/2024 09:14

Scirocco · 05/09/2024 21:24

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/sep/05/scientists-death-disease-gaza-polio-vaccinations-israel

Opinion piece by Professor Sridhar, chair of global public health at the University of Edinburgh.

Very sobering read.

The Lancet medical journal recently published an estimate of deaths in Gaza from several respected scientists, who outline their process of estimation (comparison with similar conflicts) and final numbers. They estimate that about 186,000 total deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza, which is roughly 7.9% of its population, by mid-June 2024. This high number is despite various ceasefire agreements over the past six months. If deaths continue at this rate – about 23,000 a month – there would be an additional 149,500 deaths by the end of the year, some six and half months from the initial mid-June estimate. Using the method, the total deaths since the conflict began would be estimated at about 335,500 in total.

When it comes to Gaza suddenly nobody is listening and everyone turns their back.
@TheOnlyCherryOnMyTree Because when the report referenced above in the article was published there was a campaign to completely discredit it and then no one knows what to believe. Not letting independent observers or assessors in makes it far too easy for Israel to discredit anything negative that comes out of Gaza are call it terrorist propaganda, they definitely have it all sown up and just name call and bully anyone, any organisation or any state that dares disagree or speak ill of them

Dulra · 06/09/2024 08:57

EasterIssland · 05/09/2024 23:35

Tbh reading their comments I’m not 100% sure about their “it was taken out of context”. There is 0 sympathy for the Palestinians in their comments

“Since the Gazans have proven time and time again that their support of Hamas is indisputable, it is obvious to any Israeli that the only way to guarantee our future and safety here is to remove this threat from our vicinity, forever.”

“conclude - the video clip circulating was taken out of context. The fact that most Israelis think that the threat posed from Gaza (and Gazans) must be rooted out by any means necessary is beyond any doubt. People from Gaza, the PA, and all around the world who support Hamas - are actively seeking to kill us and destroy the only Jewish state. And if you want to kill us - we will rise and kill you first”

I’m going to call bullshit their explanation , they’ve realised they caused a lot of complaints and instead of trying to be empathetic with civilians from both countries they keep suggesting that they need to get rid of Palestinians

So their explanation is basically to explain why they feel how they do about Palestinians so we can better understand their hate and their reasons for wanting to wipe them out so somehow think they are fair rational people? No lads you are calling for a genocide and to wipe out a race of people no "context" will make that ok. Scary that these don't appear to be isolated extreme views

BelleHathor · 06/09/2024 08:17

ConnieCounter The images are so upsetting and yes I'm 100% over the excuses, there are no excuses for this level of cruelty.

On the 2 guys, it must be delusion. They remind of people trying to appear "hard" by doubling down of what they think appears strong /masculine, but all I see is fear and weakness.

ConnieCounter · 06/09/2024 00:20

BelleHathor · 05/09/2024 23:44

Absolutely, I had made a joke about their manager not liking them to approve that statement, no PR company would have allowed that to be released. Their lack of self awareness is shocking, most people would at least try to pretend to care about both sides.

Yes I am confused as to why they posted that. Maybe they wanted to make absolutely sure we understand that they are genocidal scumbags? We already knew that.

Lots of very upsetting images of badly injured children in Gaza on social media today. When will this nightmare end. I'm so sick of it and I'm so sick of people making excuses for it.

BelleHathor · 05/09/2024 23:44

EasterIssland · 05/09/2024 23:35

Tbh reading their comments I’m not 100% sure about their “it was taken out of context”. There is 0 sympathy for the Palestinians in their comments

“Since the Gazans have proven time and time again that their support of Hamas is indisputable, it is obvious to any Israeli that the only way to guarantee our future and safety here is to remove this threat from our vicinity, forever.”

“conclude - the video clip circulating was taken out of context. The fact that most Israelis think that the threat posed from Gaza (and Gazans) must be rooted out by any means necessary is beyond any doubt. People from Gaza, the PA, and all around the world who support Hamas - are actively seeking to kill us and destroy the only Jewish state. And if you want to kill us - we will rise and kill you first”

I’m going to call bullshit their explanation , they’ve realised they caused a lot of complaints and instead of trying to be empathetic with civilians from both countries they keep suggesting that they need to get rid of Palestinians

Absolutely, I had made a joke about their manager not liking them to approve that statement, no PR company would have allowed that to be released. Their lack of self awareness is shocking, most people would at least try to pretend to care about both sides.

EasterIssland · 05/09/2024 23:35

BelleHathor · 05/09/2024 23:08

Previous message hidden as I copied and pasted the tweet from the Israeli podcasters who mentioned pressing a button and wiping out Palestinians.
As predicted statement is that the video was taken out of context and some strange doubling down. Happy that there are only 64 likes from 1.1 million views.
https://x.com/2NiceJewishBoys/status/1831646252489900327

Tbh reading their comments I’m not 100% sure about their “it was taken out of context”. There is 0 sympathy for the Palestinians in their comments

“Since the Gazans have proven time and time again that their support of Hamas is indisputable, it is obvious to any Israeli that the only way to guarantee our future and safety here is to remove this threat from our vicinity, forever.”

“conclude - the video clip circulating was taken out of context. The fact that most Israelis think that the threat posed from Gaza (and Gazans) must be rooted out by any means necessary is beyond any doubt. People from Gaza, the PA, and all around the world who support Hamas - are actively seeking to kill us and destroy the only Jewish state. And if you want to kill us - we will rise and kill you first”

I’m going to call bullshit their explanation , they’ve realised they caused a lot of complaints and instead of trying to be empathetic with civilians from both countries they keep suggesting that they need to get rid of Palestinians