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This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 09/07/2024 18:08

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

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Scirocco · 10/09/2024 18:08

AhNowTed · 10/09/2024 18:03

They're fucking liars.

Remember the US doctor talked about toddlers shot directly to the heart and the temple. 2 bullets. That doesn't happen by accident and is nothing short of murder. Toddlers!

It takes skill and intent to achieve that shot pattern. Two precise hits, both of which would be sufficient to take down a target. That's professional, controlled targeting (confirmed to me by a retired sniper).

AhNowTed · 10/09/2024 18:03

ToBeDetermined · 10/09/2024 17:45

Yes @EasterIssland
I saw a statement in the Telegraph from the IDF that said

“US-Turkish activist who was shot dead during protests in the West Bank was killed “indirectly and unintentionally”, the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) said on Tuesday.”. (Today)
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/us-turkish-activist-shot-unintentionally-says-idf/ar-AA1qkshZ

I am wondering how a trained sniper indirectly and unintentionally shoots someone in the head? Unintentionally implies they didn’t intend to fire their weapon-did he or she trip over a rock and accidentally discharge their sniper rifle? Indirectly implies an another target hit prior to her, but we know the bullet when from barrel of gun directly to her forehead…it did not bounce off or go through anything else.

It gets really frustrating to read things like that.

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They're fucking liars.

Remember the US doctor talked about toddlers shot directly to the heart and the temple. 2 bullets. That doesn't happen by accident and is nothing short of murder. Toddlers!

ToBeDetermined · 10/09/2024 17:45

Yes @EasterIssland
I saw a statement in the Telegraph from the IDF that said

“US-Turkish activist who was shot dead during protests in the West Bank was killed “indirectly and unintentionally”, the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) said on Tuesday.”. (Today)
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/us-turkish-activist-shot-unintentionally-says-idf/ar-AA1qkshZ

I am wondering how a trained sniper indirectly and unintentionally shoots someone in the head? Unintentionally implies they didn’t intend to fire their weapon-did he or she trip over a rock and accidentally discharge their sniper rifle? Indirectly implies an another target hit prior to her, but we know the bullet when from barrel of gun directly to her forehead…it did not bounce off or go through anything else.

It gets really frustrating to read things like that.

PeasfullPerson · 10/09/2024 14:11

So many lies, and it goes on and on and on.

ScrollingLeaves · 10/09/2024 13:32

AhNowTed · 10/09/2024 12:53

@ScrollingLeaves

In the words of Alexei Sayle, they lie and they lie and they lie.

Thank you, I had not seen this before. I never knew about Jewish bloc before either.

AhNowTed · 10/09/2024 12:53

@ScrollingLeaves

In the words of Alexei Sayle, they lie and they lie and they lie.

ScrollingLeaves · 10/09/2024 12:11

EasterIssland · 10/09/2024 10:23

The guardian

Entire families disappeared under the sand' in deadly Israeli attack on al-Mawasi, official says
As we reported in an earlier post, Gaza’s civil defence agency said Israeli airstrikes on the al-Mawasi humanitarian zone in the southern city of Khan Younis had killed 40 people this morning.
Civil defence official Mohammed al-Mughair said emergency crews are still working “to recover 15 missing people as a result of targeting the tents of the displaced in Mawasi”.
“Entire families disappeared in the Mawasi Khan Younis massacre, under the sand, in deep holes,” said civil defence spokesperson Mahmud Bassal.
The Israeli military has questioned the strike’s death toll provided by authorities in Gaza, saying the numbers “do not align with the information held by the IDF”.
The military named several Palestinian militants it said were killed in the strike, describing them as “directly involved in the execution of the 7 October massacre”.
Hamas said claims its fighters were present at the scene of the strike were “a blatant lie”.

The military named several Palestinian militants it said were killed in the strike,

What is several? Two, three? Five?
And how do they know they were killed?

It is all so convenient for them to say anything they want about these disproportionate bombings.

EasterIssland · 10/09/2024 10:23

Dulra · 10/09/2024 08:06

Air strike in a humanitarian safe zone kills over 40 people

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2024/0910/1469245-middle-east/

The guardian

Entire families disappeared under the sand' in deadly Israeli attack on al-Mawasi, official says
As we reported in an earlier post, Gaza’s civil defence agency said Israeli airstrikes on the al-Mawasi humanitarian zone in the southern city of Khan Younis had killed 40 people this morning.
Civil defence official Mohammed al-Mughair said emergency crews are still working “to recover 15 missing people as a result of targeting the tents of the displaced in Mawasi”.
“Entire families disappeared in the Mawasi Khan Younis massacre, under the sand, in deep holes,” said civil defence spokesperson Mahmud Bassal.
The Israeli military has questioned the strike’s death toll provided by authorities in Gaza, saying the numbers “do not align with the information held by the IDF”.
The military named several Palestinian militants it said were killed in the strike, describing them as “directly involved in the execution of the 7 October massacre”.
Hamas said claims its fighters were present at the scene of the strike were “a blatant lie”.

anotherlevel · 10/09/2024 08:37

EasterIssland · 09/09/2024 22:19

This is heartbreaking. I saw footage of her and her dad holding her rollerskates a few days ago on social media. It's just so sad to watch what they are going through

TimeTravellingTyrion · 10/09/2024 08:15

AhNowTed · 10/09/2024 01:03

Hamas - terrorism, for sure.

Israel - you decide:

Occupying another people by land, sea and air
Controlling their every movement, be it people or basic supplies
Stealing their land, funded by the government
Building on their terrority, funded by the government
Bulldozing their homes, funded by the government
Aiding and abetting violent settlers who terrorise them, and set fire to their homes, funded by the government
Arresting anyone who complains
Shooting their civilians including children - prior to 7/10 in the West Bank alone over 500 people including over 100 children shot by the IDF.
Detaining their civilians without charge, trial, or lawyer
The much publicized rape of a detainee, and the subsequent outcry from some Israelis when the Police dared to arrest them. Said rapist has since been "blessed" by a prominent rabbi.
And the latest - pray tell what is the excuse for the destruction of Jenin.

Finally, according to the many Israeli historians, experts, scholars, NGOs, and the UN and international aid agencies: genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Hence my calling a double standard.

If one is terrorism, what's the other?

I'm still confused. Where is my double standard?

AhNowTed · 10/09/2024 01:03

TimeTravellingTyrion · 09/09/2024 12:13

Sorry, where is my double standard?

Hamas - terrorism, for sure.

Israel - you decide:

Occupying another people by land, sea and air
Controlling their every movement, be it people or basic supplies
Stealing their land, funded by the government
Building on their terrority, funded by the government
Bulldozing their homes, funded by the government
Aiding and abetting violent settlers who terrorise them, and set fire to their homes, funded by the government
Arresting anyone who complains
Shooting their civilians including children - prior to 7/10 in the West Bank alone over 500 people including over 100 children shot by the IDF.
Detaining their civilians without charge, trial, or lawyer
The much publicized rape of a detainee, and the subsequent outcry from some Israelis when the Police dared to arrest them. Said rapist has since been "blessed" by a prominent rabbi.
And the latest - pray tell what is the excuse for the destruction of Jenin.

Finally, according to the many Israeli historians, experts, scholars, NGOs, and the UN and international aid agencies: genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Hence my calling a double standard.

If one is terrorism, what's the other?

BelleHathor · 09/09/2024 23:57

PeasfullPerson · 09/09/2024 21:55

It looks the criteria for people that some Israeli’s think they can get away with killing is expanding. First it was Hamas, then anyone they felt like in Gaza, it’s getting worse in the West Bank, and lately they seem to be more keen on taking out humanitarian workers.

So what’s next on their list.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/sep/08/middle-east-crisis-live-israelis-surge-to-the-streets-in-new-wave-of-protest-as-heavy-air-raids-hit-gaza

Displaced people in tents are fair game, reports of another massacre just now in Khan Younis :
NEW KHAN YOUNIS MASSACRE

20 tents were wiped out, and no trace of them remained in the Mawasi area of Khan Yunis*

▫️ The Civil Defense spokesman reported in detail that the raids targeted a gathering of displaced people's tents consisting of at least 20 tents inhabited by residents in an area that the occupation claimed was humanitarian

▫️ The violent raids left 3 large holes as the missiles used were heavy concussion

▫️ A number of martyrs were buried in the ground and the ambulance and civil defense crews are facing great difficulty in retrieving the martyrs amidst the lack of capabilities and the absence of a source of light

▫️ Great panic among the residents of the surrounding area after they were asleep and believed that they were safe

▫️ The event is very difficult and estimates are that we are facing one of the most heinous massacres in this frenzied war

▫️ Rescue operations are ongoing and the efforts made are great

▫️ The occupation has become bolder to commit such massacres in light of the complete silence of the world's institutions about its previous crimes.
https://x.com/RyanRozbiani/status/1833277757842718782
May their souls RIP 🕊

x.com

https://x.com/RyanRozbiani/status/1833277757842718782

EasterIssland · 09/09/2024 22:33

PeasfullPerson · 09/09/2024 21:55

It looks the criteria for people that some Israeli’s think they can get away with killing is expanding. First it was Hamas, then anyone they felt like in Gaza, it’s getting worse in the West Bank, and lately they seem to be more keen on taking out humanitarian workers.

So what’s next on their list.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/sep/08/middle-east-crisis-live-israelis-surge-to-the-streets-in-new-wave-of-protest-as-heavy-air-raids-hit-gaza

They’ve been killing aid workers for a while. Since ICJ ruled that they had to let aid in, they’ve been killing several local people that were helping on the distribution of aid (+ the international volunteers). Feels like they don’t want aid to be distributed

ConnieCounter · 09/09/2024 22:32

That's so desperately sad. That poor little girl and her family. So needless.

PeasfullPerson · 09/09/2024 21:55

anotherlevel · 09/09/2024 18:37

• Three eyewitnesses present at the protest where 26-year-old Eygi was shot dead told Haaretzz that Israeli troops shot her for no reason and there had been no clashes at the time. "We thought that the demonstration was pretty much over because nothing was happening," Vivi, an American activist who was at the protest, said. "First we heard a shot and it hit a dumpster that two volunteers were sitting behind and then there was a shot that hit Aysenur in the head*."

From Haaretz

It looks the criteria for people that some Israeli’s think they can get away with killing is expanding. First it was Hamas, then anyone they felt like in Gaza, it’s getting worse in the West Bank, and lately they seem to be more keen on taking out humanitarian workers.

So what’s next on their list.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/sep/08/middle-east-crisis-live-israelis-surge-to-the-streets-in-new-wave-of-protest-as-heavy-air-raids-hit-gaza

Middle East crisis: Senior Gaza rescue service official killed in Israeli airstrike; three Israelis killed near Jordan border crossing – as it happened

Deputy director of Gaza Civil Emergency Service and four family members killed in Jabalia, say Gaza health officials; three Israeli civilians killed in shooting near Jordan border crossing, says IDF

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/sep/08/middle-east-crisis-live-israelis-surge-to-the-streets-in-new-wave-of-protest-as-heavy-air-raids-hit-gaza

PeasfullPerson · 09/09/2024 21:46

EasterIssland · 07/09/2024 19:25

I can see my comment was deleted. I’ll post again from Haaretz. Sorry to those that domt have the reading version

Majority of Israelis Back Censoring Gaza War Social Media Posts, Exposing Jewish-Arab Divide, Poll Shows
Political divisions further shape opinions on censorship, the poll finds. Among Israelis on the right, 76 percent want to block posts supporting Gaza's civilians, compared to only 25 percent on the left

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-09-05/ty-article/.premium/poll-majority-of-israelis-back-censoring-gaza-war-posts-exposing-jewish-arab-divide/00000191-c119-de0a-afd5-d959c4d20000

I would have thought that caring about human rights and valuing free speech were cornerstones of civilised democracies. This is so disturbing.

anotherlevel · 09/09/2024 18:37

• Three eyewitnesses present at the protest where 26-year-old Eygi was shot dead told Haaretzz that Israeli troops shot her for no reason and there had been no clashes at the time. "We thought that the demonstration was pretty much over because nothing was happening," Vivi, an American activist who was at the protest, said. "First we heard a shot and it hit a dumpster that two volunteers were sitting behind and then there was a shot that hit Aysenur in the head*."

From Haaretz

TimeTravellingTyrion · 09/09/2024 12:15

anotherlevel · 08/09/2024 21:21

@TimeTravellingTyrion Not terrorism. Fine. But what do you think they should do to stop everything that @AhNowTed has outlined? Do you think they should just lie down and take everything that they've been through? Do they have a right to defend themselves and protect what's theirs too?

I was responding to the idea that calling Hamas "the resistance" is not pro-Hamas. That's all.

TimeTravellingTyrion · 09/09/2024 12:13

AhNowTed · 08/09/2024 21:08

Interesting double standard.

You might want to look up terrorism.

OED:
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

HTH.

Sorry, where is my double standard?

EasterIssland · 09/09/2024 10:37

I agree with the poster that has said that Palestinians should self defence without terrorism. Just like Israel is self defending without being terrorists : raping , torturing , kidnapping, killing innocent lives , destroying hospitals and schools , bombing safe areas.

Dulra · 09/09/2024 08:08

ToBeDetermined · 08/09/2024 21:50

They do say that genocides are a type of group madness.
To think that a PR professional can seriously approve that statement that is essentially:

we are not genocidal, but we think Palestinians want to kill us so we are going to kill them all first

“In the original recording, we made it very clear that we did NOT call for the genocide of the Palestinians..”

”we entertained a hypothetical situation that would rid Israel of the imminent threat posed by our Palestinian enemies who OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT HAMAS and wish to kill us all..”

”it is obvious to any Israeli that the only way to guarantee our future and safety here is to remove this threat from our vicinity, forever...”

”People from Gaza, the PA, and all around the world who support Hamas - are actively seeking to kill us and destroy the only Jewish state. And if you want to kill us - we will rise and kill you first.”

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It is a very disturbing statement and a good insight in to how people are able to continually justify and explain away the reality of what is happening to innocent adults and children in Gaza.

we are not genocidal, but we think Palestinians want to kill us so we are going to kill them all first
Yes this in a nutshell

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