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This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 09/07/2024 18:08

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

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ScrollingLeaves · 18/09/2024 18:06

ScrollingLeaves · 18/09/2024 09:59

They do not want the outside world knowing so much of what they are doing.

Then there will be those who will not want the critics from among themselves watching either.

re the Israeli state turning on its own people too, this is in Haaretz

Israelis Are Living in a Regime of Fear and State Violence

These are the days of a fear regime. Fear of protesting against cabinet ministers who love power, money and authority. Fear of protesting against a dictatorship that has taken over the country. Fear of protesting in the streets in a desperate cry to save the hostages in Gaza. Fear of waving signs demanding the establishment of a state commission of inquiry.

Scirocco · 18/09/2024 17:55

PeasfullPerson · 18/09/2024 12:27

This is completely out of control.

Absolutely. But the people with the power to stop it or at least rein it in are just letting it continue. Ordinary people in the region are terrified. People with loved ones in the region are scared too. Nobody felt safe to start with, but this just adds a new layer to that. Given the loose definition of 'legitimate target', how safe is anyone, really?

PeasfullPerson · 18/09/2024 12:27

This is completely out of control.

ScrollingLeaves · 18/09/2024 09:59

ConnieCounter · 17/09/2024 23:39

Self defence eh? Looks mighty like genocide doesn't it?

They do not want the outside world knowing so much of what they are doing.

Then there will be those who will not want the critics from among themselves watching either.

ConnieCounter · 17/09/2024 23:39

EasterIssland · 17/09/2024 23:18

Israel has stopped providing visas to international NGO aid workers

https://x.com/UNRWA/status/1836025843581071519

Self defence eh? Looks mighty like genocide doesn't it?

EasterIssland · 17/09/2024 23:18

Israel has stopped providing visas to international NGO aid workers

https://x.com/UNRWA/status/1836025843581071519

x.com

https://x.com/UNRWA/status/1836025843581071519

YoYoYoYo12345 · 17/09/2024 20:47

EasterIssland · 17/09/2024 17:11

Regarding not trusting Palestinians , general punishment for what a few people from their country have done ?

Not general punishment, worries about hamas managing to get an operative in a position where more innocents will die. Its understandable when there appeared to be so many hamas who were able to take part in October 7th.

EasterIssland · 17/09/2024 17:11

YoYoYoYo12345 · 17/09/2024 16:48

I understand them wanting labour for construction from other lands and not trusting people from Gaza again after 7th October.

The (French) Foreign Legion used to recruit from overseas and were a paid army, not sure if they still exist though.

Regarding not trusting Palestinians , general punishment for what a few people from their country have done ?

EasterIssland · 17/09/2024 17:10

Dulra · 17/09/2024 16:58

Plenty of armies allow recruits from other nations there are many EU nationalities fighting in Ukraine. That's not the issue the issue is bribing vulnerable desperate people to fight in Gaza imo that is ethically wrong and exploitative.

Offering them asylum if they fight for their country aka risking their lives. That’s bribing vulnerable people as you say

Dulra · 17/09/2024 16:58

YoYoYoYo12345 · 17/09/2024 16:48

I understand them wanting labour for construction from other lands and not trusting people from Gaza again after 7th October.

The (French) Foreign Legion used to recruit from overseas and were a paid army, not sure if they still exist though.

Plenty of armies allow recruits from other nations there are many EU nationalities fighting in Ukraine. That's not the issue the issue is bribing vulnerable desperate people to fight in Gaza imo that is ethically wrong and exploitative.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 17/09/2024 16:48

ScrollingLeaves · 16/09/2024 12:55

Here is more about it.
www.trtworld.com/middle-east/african-asylum-seekers-indian-workers-israel-incentivises-war-on-gaza-18208111

The Israeli government is also recruiting Indians to work in construction in order to replace Palestinians.

Netanyahu is said to want the war to go on and on, so they’ll need to recruit more soldiers as they must not have enough conscripts. Then no doubt they’ll use the asylum seeking African army recruits for riskier tasks.

edited to add link

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I understand them wanting labour for construction from other lands and not trusting people from Gaza again after 7th October.

The (French) Foreign Legion used to recruit from overseas and were a paid army, not sure if they still exist though.

anotherlevel · 17/09/2024 10:16

@ScrollingLeaves That's absolutely awful.

PeasfullPerson · 17/09/2024 09:58

U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights denounces Israel’s disregard for international law.

“It seems to me we are at a fork in the road. We can either continue on our current path – a treacherous ‘new normal’ – and sleepwalk into a dystopian future,” he said in a speech met with applause from diplomats.

He also talked about lots of other issues and he seemed to make a lot of sense. This is worth a read if you’re having a bad day and need a break from all the glitter in your eyes (ref to his speech).

https://www.citizen.co.za/news/news-world/un-rights-chief-warns-of-dystopian-future-if-world-doesnt-change-course/

UN rights chief warns of 'dystopian future' if world doesn't change course | The Citizen

UN's Volker Turk cautions the world against escalating conflicts, disinformation, and climate change, urging immediate action for a better future.

https://www.citizen.co.za/news/news-world/un-rights-chief-warns-of-dystopian-future-if-world-doesnt-change-course

PeasfullPerson · 17/09/2024 09:33

ScrollingLeaves · 16/09/2024 20:31

Thise settlers are awful, ignorant thugs and bullies. Why is the government of Israel not ashamed enough to stop them? Given that they don’t trey are one and the same.

I also scrolled down and saw others of their kind had poisoned 50 sheep belonging to two Bedouins. They poured poison into the sheeps’ drinking water.

They are a disgrace. People are encouraged to consider that Israel acts in line Western values, yet this behaviour is far away from that.

Has anyone here seen things like this happening on a frequent basis in the West??! Do you think it would be tolerated? Or implicitly encouraged?

The bar for behaviour has dropped so low, that it’s not even that out of the ordinary, and what should be disturbing, is habituated and explained away like nothing.

ScrollingLeaves · 16/09/2024 20:31

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Thise settlers are awful, ignorant thugs and bullies. Why is the government of Israel not ashamed enough to stop them? Given that they don’t trey are one and the same.

I also scrolled down and saw others of their kind had poisoned 50 sheep belonging to two Bedouins. They poured poison into the sheeps’ drinking water.

EasterIssland · 16/09/2024 19:45

Attacks against human rights defenders and obliteration of civic space in Gaza unacceptable, says UN expert

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/09/attacks-against-human-rights-defenders-and-obliteration-civic-space-gaza#:~:text=GENEVA%20–%20Ten%20months%20into%20Israel's,the%20situation%20of%20human%20rights

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ScrollingLeaves · 16/09/2024 13:00

From Haaretz brief last night about recruiting the asylum seekers

ISRAEL: Israel's defense establishment is offering African asylum seekers willing to participate in life-threatening Gaza war operations assistance in obtaining permanent residency status in Israel, an investigation by Haaretz revealed. Defense officials speaking off record said the project is conducted in an organized manner, guided by legal advisers.

  • Security sources told Haaretz that internal criticism of the exploitation of the asylum seekers' vulnerable status and human rights has been silenced, saying: "This is a very problematic matter." To date, no asylum seekers who contributed to the war effort have been granted official status.
ScrollingLeaves · 16/09/2024 12:55

Here is more about it.
www.trtworld.com/middle-east/african-asylum-seekers-indian-workers-israel-incentivises-war-on-gaza-18208111

The Israeli government is also recruiting Indians to work in construction in order to replace Palestinians.

Netanyahu is said to want the war to go on and on, so they’ll need to recruit more soldiers as they must not have enough conscripts. Then no doubt they’ll use the asylum seeking African army recruits for riskier tasks.

edited to add link

PeasfullPerson · 15/09/2024 21:27

AhNowTed · 15/09/2024 17:20

"Israel is allowing only drips and drabs of food into Gaza -- “the absolute minimum needed to ensure that people don’t die immediately from starvation," even though "they could die three years from now from extended malnutrition."

www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/12/gaza-aid-food-medical-supplies-backlog

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AhNowTed · 15/09/2024 17:20

"Israel is allowing only drips and drabs of food into Gaza -- “the absolute minimum needed to ensure that people don’t die immediately from starvation," even though "they could die three years from now from extended malnutrition."

www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/12/gaza-aid-food-medical-supplies-backlog

ScrollingLeaves · 15/09/2024 16:28

The Palestinian Chronicle says more about what Haaretz had written. ( It was not on archive ph when I last looked.)
Asylum Seekers Promised Residency for Joining Israeli Army in Gaza – Haaretz
www.palestinechronicle.com/asylum-seekers-promised-residency-for-joining-israeli-army-in-gaza-haaretz/

anotherlevel · 15/09/2024 15:52

ScrollingLeaves · 15/09/2024 10:58

Haaretz:
Israel Is Recruiting African Asylum Seekers for Life-threatening Gaza War Operations, Promising Permanent Legal Status

Israeli security officials are offering the incentive of permanent residency status to asylum seekers who agree to participate in sometimes life-threatening military operations in Gaza. Sources say that internal criticism of this exploitation has been silenced: 'This is a very problematic matter'

Israel's defense establishment is offering African asylum seekers who contribute to the war effort in Gaza – risking their lives – assistance in obtaining permanent status in Israel. This, according to personal accounts obtained by Haaretz.

To me this plan seems not very likely to work out well for the asylum seekers.

Really???

Scirocco · 15/09/2024 11:54

ScrollingLeaves · 15/09/2024 10:58

Haaretz:
Israel Is Recruiting African Asylum Seekers for Life-threatening Gaza War Operations, Promising Permanent Legal Status

Israeli security officials are offering the incentive of permanent residency status to asylum seekers who agree to participate in sometimes life-threatening military operations in Gaza. Sources say that internal criticism of this exploitation has been silenced: 'This is a very problematic matter'

Israel's defense establishment is offering African asylum seekers who contribute to the war effort in Gaza – risking their lives – assistance in obtaining permanent status in Israel. This, according to personal accounts obtained by Haaretz.

To me this plan seems not very likely to work out well for the asylum seekers.

What the f**k...

Words actually fail me.