The Lancet publish article estimating 186,000 death toll in Gaza

Not at all. Perfectly happy to discuss whether a genocide is happening on the appropriate thread and at the moment, a genocide is your opinion unsupported yet by any official bodies and certainly not recognised as such in the UK or the USA.

This thread is about apparently 186000 Gazans being killed.

They haven't.

I repeat, it really is not on to post thread titles with vastly misleading ideas.

@keenforhelp
"No point in discussing it as it is not real."

So why are you on this thread discussing it then? If there was no point, there'd be no need to comment.

will contest grossly misleading thread titles and links that do not stand up to scrutiny in any way whatsoever

If it wasn’t from the fact that there are several other threads (some of which you’re the op) where the title does not stand up to scrutiny then I’d trust you. However , I feel you’re trying to censor some information that it’s been provided because you’re not happy with the image it’s portraying of IDF and the Israeli government.

I really do not dismiss the tragic unfolding of events in Gaza as "nothing" however, I will contest grossly misleading thread titles and links that do not stand up to scrutiny in any way whatsoever - especially proclaiming close to 200k perishing in this conflict. That is not acceptable.

My link to the JC - here again - discusses the article with ideas with which I concur strongly.

https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/did-the-lancet-really-estimate-the-gaza-death-toll-at-186-000-tp50gw2f

Have you nothing to say about deaths due to traumatic injury, complications, unexploded bombs, lack of medication, malnutrition, infectious disease, poor sanitation, maternal/neonatal/stillbirth...

The fact that you would call a thread about 1000s of Palestinian deaths 'much ado about nothing' is really shocking. A little bit of respect for the enormous loss of life shouldn't be too much to ask for.

Succinct summary there @DownNative and this thread really is a much ado about nothing that the great Bard himself would have been proud of scripting.

this thread really is a much ado about nothing

In your opinion.
Many of us however do not lightly dismiss as nothing what these contributors are estimating and are very concerned about the death toll and suffering they are warning about. If you feel it is nothing move on and let those that would like to discuss the article to it.

Succinct summary there @DownNative and this thread really is a much ado about nothing that the great Bard himself would have been proud of scripting.

Why would The Lancet remove a letter they are very clear is simply "our reader's reflections"?

When the content of said letter is NOT the view of The Lancet itself?

When the letter is clearly NOT a study by The Lancet?

Therefore, the Appeal To Authority Fallacy in this thread vis a vis The Lancet falls down immediately.

Answers on a postcard as they say. 🤷‍♂️

I don't see the need to change the title.

The Lancet, as I've explained, call all their contributions "articles" throughout their website, so it wasn't intentional and you can take it up with them.

Further the title clearly says "estimating" and nowhere does it claim the death toll is 186K today.

Upon reading, the reader quickly establishes the number includes indirect deaths from the ongoing results of this deadly conflict.

Action on Armed Violence, a London-based charity conducting research on the impact of armed violence, produced a similar report back in February.

https://aoav.org.uk/2024/leading-experts-foresee-up-to-74290-excess-deaths-in-gaza/

Crisis in Gaza: Scenario-based Health Impact Projections

Here is the pdf:

https://aoav.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/gaza_projections_report.pdf

The projections – outlined in their report Crisis in Gaza: Scenario-Based Health Impact Projections – underscore the dual threats of infectious diseases and traumatic injuries as the primary causes of these excess deaths.
As the report states: “The projections are not predictions of what will happen in Gaza but provide a range of projections of what could happen under three distinct scenarios: 1) an immediate permanent ceasefire; 2) status quo (a continuation of conditions experienced from October 2023 till mid-January); and 3) a further escalation of the conflict.”

It's safe to assume we are in "further escalation of the conflict" territory now.

And for those enquiring about my whereabouts, sadly I have a full time job.

They might not be peer reviewed but if it caused as much controversy as this one has created and they didn’t agree with it or were happy with what is written in there I’m sure they’d quietly remove it.

also, what’s wrong with it ? This letter is saying if things don’t change in Gaza we could have up to 186k deaths. Is the numbers what is wrong? Would 100k make it better ? 400k?

people are not only dying in Gaza because Israel is killing them directky. They’re also dying because of Israel’s actions in Gaza. This has to stop for people to continue dying and that’s what the writers in lancet are saying

Letters published in The Lancet don't have to meet standards remotely close to articles which they publish.

Letters are not peer reviewed. These are simply "our reader's reflections".

Letters published in The Lancet don't have to meet standards remotely close to articles which they publish.

Letters are not peer reviewed. These are simply "our reader's reflections".

From the Jewish Chronicle:

https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/did-the-lancet-really-estimate-the-gaza-death-toll-at-186-000-tp50gw2f

"Did the Lancet really estimate the Gaza death toll at 186,000?
The figure was shared by MPs and UN officials, but is purely speculative and not a peer-reviewed study"
"Last week, the Lancet, a well-respected British medical journal, published a letter from three academics – Rasha Khatib, Martin McKee, and Salim Yusuf – discussing the death toll in Gaza.
The letter, which is not peer-reviewed, suggests that, if the death toll in Gaza is 37 396, then it is “not implausible” to estimate that up to 186 000 deaths could be attributed to the war at some point in the future.
Already, the figure has taken on a life of its own. Zarah Sultana, writing on X, said “The Lancet - the most prestigious medical journal in the world - conservatively estimates that the death toll in Gaza could be 186,000 or more. That’s 8% of the population”. The “Gaza Genocide” entry on Wikipedia already cites the figure.
A former UN official also shared that “1 in every 12 Gaza inhabitants [have been] killed in the last 9 months of genocide”.
But what does the figure actually reference? The letter, which is speculative, and not a peer-reviewed article, makes the estimate that up to 186,000 deaths could be attributable to the current conflict due to “indirect health implications”.
This figure was decided by multiplying the current death toll, as reported by the Hamas-run Gaza health ministry, by five. The forward-looking estimate does not suggest that 186,000 have been killed in the 9 months of war so far.
The death toll in Gaza has long been difficult to report accurately. This is not unusual in wartime, but worsened by the specific situation in Gaza. Relying on the Gaza health ministry, figures are often revised.
The Hamas health ministry reports deaths recorded in hospitals, deaths reported by family members, and deaths from “reliable media reports”.
The letter sent to the Lancet was signed by Radha Khatib, Martin McKee, and Salim Yusuf. Khatib – the lead signatory – works at Birzeit University, near Ramallah, which has been outspoken on the war in Gaza. On October 15, Birzet called for international academic instituions to “take concrete action to stop the genocidal war on the Palestinian people and to end Israeli settler colonialism”.
Khatib has also previously shared Anti-Israel posts on social media. During the 2014 war in Gaza, she shared an article which stated there are “no ‘Both Sides’”. She also posted: “Palestinian violence is the inevitable response to… occupation and apartheid-like inequality. Violence therefore will only end when the occupation and Israeli apartheid end”.
Hillel Neuer, Executive Director of United Nations Watch, criticised the validity of the letter in the Lancet. “Nowhere does the lancet say this amount ‘were killed in the last 9 months,’” he shared on social media.
"

Couldn't have put this better myself.

I hope this puts this to bed now.

Is there a reason why you’ve not opened that thread if you’re so keen on it ? Why do you expect (want) others to do it and not yourself?