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PeasfullPerson · 29/06/2024 20:21

Well done to everyone who has spoken out against the slaughter of people in Palestine, and the destruction of their homeland.

It is heart warming to see so much support for Palestine at Glastonbury, especially after all the attempts to shut conversations down.

You don’t have to be an expert or a politician, or say exactly the right thing, to know that the killing of children is wrong, and that it is always better to say something about it.

Limesodaagain · 29/06/2024 20:20

stormy4319trevor · 29/06/2024 20:18

I've just seen Tilda Swinton will be on stage with Orbital later. I think she signed a letter in support of Gaza some time ago. I think she's amazing as an actress and hope she has some comment to make.

It would be brilliant if she could show support for Gaza but also acknowledge the victims at another music festival 8 months ago .
Don’t you think?

stormy4319trevor · 29/06/2024 20:18

I've just seen Tilda Swinton will be on stage with Orbital later. I think she signed a letter in support of Gaza some time ago. I think she's amazing as an actress and hope she has some comment to make.

Limesodaagain · 29/06/2024 20:18

EasterIssland · 29/06/2024 20:12

Has anyone said that ? Also I thought this thread was about the support for Palestine that is been expressed in Glastonbury.

Yes - I think people absolutely have said it is ok that Glastonbury festival goers only showed support for Palestinian victims and Damon Albarn didn’t mention the rapes and murders at the Nova festival.

79Helene · 29/06/2024 20:16

Limesodaagain · 29/06/2024 19:59

Obviously that’s unacceptable.

I find it strange that people who are not Israeli or Palestinian and have no family members involved are so black and white about their support for one “side” .

A short post, yet the best I've seen on here in a while.

Sussurations · 29/06/2024 20:13

Damon Albarn is a great songwriter but does anyone remember the NME’s weekly feature pillorying him and Justine Frischmann as privileged out of touch fools? The memory was just triggered for me.

It just seems appalling to me that he didn’t mention the Nova festival, in the context.

@Shutupaboutthesun thanks for your brilliant post.

EasterIssland · 29/06/2024 20:12

Limesodaagain · 29/06/2024 20:07

I think this thread sounds very much as if you don’t care too much about the victims of the Nova festival

Has anyone said that ? Also I thought this thread was about the support for Palestine that is been expressed in Glastonbury.

Limesodaagain · 29/06/2024 20:07

AhNowTed · 29/06/2024 20:04

@Limesodaagain

Nobody on this or any other CITME thread has not cared about that.

I think this thread sounds very much as if you don’t care too much about the victims of the Nova festival

Limesodaagain · 29/06/2024 20:06

EasterIssland · 29/06/2024 20:03

Do you feel the same about Russia and Ukraine ?

Yes I do. I think Putin is a terrible man but I understand why Russians feel threatened by the west and NATO - history has taught them how vulnerable they are . ( I’m not a supporter of the Russian action but I do try to understand it)

AhNowTed · 29/06/2024 20:04

@Limesodaagain

Nobody on this or any other CITME thread has not cared about that.

Limesodaagain · 29/06/2024 20:03

AhNowTed · 29/06/2024 20:02

@Limesodaagain

Mass-slaughter tends to do that to folks.

What - make them anti semitic?

EasterIssland · 29/06/2024 20:03

Limesodaagain · 29/06/2024 19:59

Obviously that’s unacceptable.

I find it strange that people who are not Israeli or Palestinian and have no family members involved are so black and white about their support for one “side” .

Do you feel the same about Russia and Ukraine ?

Limesodaagain · 29/06/2024 20:02

AhNowTed · 29/06/2024 20:00

Imagine slurring folks as racist, who have the temerity to give a shit about the mass slaughter of 40000 people, the majority of whom are women, children and babies.

I don’t think it’s racist to care about the slaughter of Palestinians.

I do think it’s racist NOT to care about the slaughter of Israelis

AhNowTed · 29/06/2024 20:02

@Limesodaagain

Mass-slaughter tends to do that to folks.

OVienna · 29/06/2024 20:02

SharonEllis · 29/06/2024 08:26

What a silly, shallow commentary on the conflict with no sense of irony that it started with a massacre of innocent people at a music festival. Anyway, how do we vote Hamas out next week?

This.

AhNowTed · 29/06/2024 20:00

Imagine slurring folks as racist, who have the temerity to give a shit about the mass slaughter of 40000 people, the majority of whom are women, children and babies.

Limesodaagain · 29/06/2024 19:59

EasterIssland · 29/06/2024 17:54

I’ll answer your questions

No
No

some people even justify it or minimise it or deny it.

Obviously that’s unacceptable.

I find it strange that people who are not Israeli or Palestinian and have no family members involved are so black and white about their support for one “side” .

Dulra · 29/06/2024 19:57

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Are you actually criticising people for showing support and solidarity to Palestinians? Why do you hate them so much that you have to belittle them in that way and slag off people that care about them and their future.

Countrylife2002 · 29/06/2024 19:54

ConnieCounter · 29/06/2024 08:59

Some people think that killing tens of thousands of civilians in response to that, not to mention destroying their homes and denying them food, water and medical aid is not a legitimate response to what happened.

And that's a reasonable opinion to hold. Some people can see that both actions are wrong.

This

stormy4319trevor · 29/06/2024 19:53

I think supporting Palestine is simply recognising that no people should live under occupation.

AhNowTed · 29/06/2024 19:45

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Who are you calling antisemites?

How dare you.

If I'm an antisemite, so are countless Jewish Israelis, prominent Jewish academics and scholars, Jewish human rights organisations, and a not insignificant portion of Jewish media.

EasterIssland · 29/06/2024 19:39

To support Palestine is to support an unrecognised state

attached a picture of those countries that recognise Palestine as a country

Support for Palestine at Glastonbury
Firealarm1414 · 29/06/2024 19:32

Finallyloggedin · 29/06/2024 18:24

@Shutupaboutthesun a lot of what you are saying is simply not true.

Palestinans didn’t choose the religion of their oppressors. It’s really not relevant to their struggle for human rights.

Many Jews and Muslims lived happily alongside each other with equal rights before the creation of the state of Israel. Furthermore Christians are being treated horrifically in Jerusalem right now.

Some people are desperate to paint this as a culture war for their own political ends, but funnily enough when you murder peoples families, steal their houses and destroy their livelihoods, they tend not to like it. Wrong is wrong, regardless of anything else.

Yes lol, this mythical "Palestine" was a place unlike any other in the middle east, where Jews were allowed to live in peace alongside their Muslim neighbours? Pull the other one. You only have to look at what happened to Jews in the surrounding countries to see why Israel needs to continue to exist

keenforhelp · 29/06/2024 19:30

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stormy4319trevor · 29/06/2024 19:17

@Shutupaboutthesun How is the expansion of settlements in the WB, encouraged by Likud, the arming of settlers, and the denial of rights to Palestinians in the WB (which is pretty much under Israeli control, if not legally Israel, helping any settlement? You may be right that some in Palestinian politics wish the eradication of Israel, though I am sure it is not all. However, the ongoing expansion of the occupation's reach and control look as if the Israeli government, and many politicians, wish the eradication of a realised Palestine. I think that decades of military force and control has done little to achieve the normal, peaceful state that I would think many Israelis wish for.

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