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Disgusting comments like this normalised

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jerkorperk · 27/06/2024 07:59

I see countless UK run accounts like this. Hundreds of comments just like this.

Why? It's horrendous. How can we let this be said in Britain without any consequences?

You couldn't start conversations about other communities and not end up reported to the police.

Disgusting comments like this normalised
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MnaAthCliath · 27/06/2024 14:23

ginasevern · 27/06/2024 13:43

So they know the difference between Zionist and Jew do they? Do they ask before they kill, which is obviously their aim. Could someone explain that please.

Also, they state there is nothing to condemn Hamas for. There's a lot of Palestinians (especially women) living for years under their extreme Sharia Law, male dominated regime who beg to differ.

No Hamas in West Bank. But still atrocities by occupying forces.

79Helene · 27/06/2024 14:15

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25milesfromhome · 27/06/2024 13:55

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Oh dear.

MnaAthCliath · 27/06/2024 13:46

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ginasevern · 27/06/2024 13:43

So they know the difference between Zionist and Jew do they? Do they ask before they kill, which is obviously their aim. Could someone explain that please.

Also, they state there is nothing to condemn Hamas for. There's a lot of Palestinians (especially women) living for years under their extreme Sharia Law, male dominated regime who beg to differ.

25milesfromhome · 27/06/2024 13:41

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Oh dear.

25milesfromhome · 27/06/2024 13:40

FindThatThing · 27/06/2024 13:22

At what cost?

This is just white washing.

Misappropriating and redefining a term used by a minority that has a very specific meaning and purpose, whilst minimising the harm this does or denying there's anything wrong with doing it is the very embodiment of whitewashing.

Stars71 · 27/06/2024 13:39

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More minimising, more derailment.

MnaAthCliath · 27/06/2024 13:37

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Vittuunterroristit · 27/06/2024 13:36

MnaAthCliath · 27/06/2024 13:26

It doesn’t take much intelligence to see the important difference between Zionist and Jew.
please reconsider your post.

Yes because no one has ever used Zionist to mean Jew. Ever. The soviet persecution of "zionists" was purely about a political ideology.

Stars71 · 27/06/2024 13:34

Custardcream84 · 27/06/2024 13:15

I mean you could start conversations about other communities. There was a 1000
post thread just last week on mumsnet about how people don’t like Muslims with loads of people chiming in as to why they don’t like them. I can hardly imagine any other community being subject to that.

And to be honest a Zionist is a political identity - plenty of people identify as Zionists who are not Jewish and it does imply a political stance. Just like people can’t stand ‘Tories’ or ‘Lefties’ or ‘evangelical Christian right wingers’ or ‘Islamist’s’ they can’t stand ‘Zionists’. Probably because many who identify as such ascribe to the idea that Israel should be allowed to annihilate Palestinians and continually take their land and arrest their children and run torture and detention camps. So it’s pretty understandable that people are going to dislike you if you ascribe to that ideology.

Wow

alesl360 · 27/06/2024 13:33

jerkorperk · 27/06/2024 07:59

And clearly, 'Zio' is being used as a thinly veiled cover word for Jew.

I'm very confused can you explain

In this comment they are talking about Palestine/Israel right?

I thought a Zionist is someone who promotes/supports the Israeli state?

I get that Zionists include Jewish people (and non Jewish people) but how does this post indicate they mean ALL Jewish people not involved in the Palestine/Israel issue when they are clearly referring to Palestine/Israel?

Is this as bad as when Israeli ministers say 'kill them all' on the record about Palestinians in Gaza?

Comedycook · 27/06/2024 13:32

MnaAthCliath · 27/06/2024 13:26

It doesn’t take much intelligence to see the important difference between Zionist and Jew.
please reconsider your post.

The two words do indeed have different meanings. That's is not difficult to understand, correct.

However what is currently happening a lot is anti semites who knows they can't say..."Jews out" or "no Jews here" for obvious reasons are using the word Zionist as cover.

nonmerci99 · 27/06/2024 13:28

Comedycook · 27/06/2024 12:28

Social media is generally a cess pit. Never fails to amaze the things people write.

What I think is interesting and different about anti semetism is that the left wing are often the ones indulging in it, in a way they wouldn't dream of doing when it comes to other forms of racism. I find this particularly irritating as the left wing tend to frame themselves as having the moral high ground and that it's simply a manifestation of their superior humanitarianism. If you object to them, you are then portrayed as some sort of genocidal maniac.

Exactly this.

FindThatThing · 27/06/2024 13:27

Comedycook · 27/06/2024 13:25

That's an entirely separate discussion. If someone considers themselves a Zionist the only conclusion you can reasonably come to is that they support the existence of Israel. Trying to portray a Zionist as a bloody thirsty genocidal maniac is a ridiculous interpretation

Convinient.

25milesfromhome · 27/06/2024 13:27

jerkorperk · 27/06/2024 07:59

And clearly, 'Zio' is being used as a thinly veiled cover word for Jew.

It absolutely is.

MnaAthCliath · 27/06/2024 13:26

jerkorperk · 27/06/2024 07:59

And clearly, 'Zio' is being used as a thinly veiled cover word for Jew.

It doesn’t take much intelligence to see the important difference between Zionist and Jew.
please reconsider your post.

Vittuunterroristit · 27/06/2024 13:26

FindThatThing · 27/06/2024 13:22

At what cost?

This is just white washing.

No that's the definition of zionism.

Comedycook · 27/06/2024 13:25

FindThatThing · 27/06/2024 13:22

At what cost?

This is just white washing.

That's an entirely separate discussion. If someone considers themselves a Zionist the only conclusion you can reasonably come to is that they support the existence of Israel. Trying to portray a Zionist as a bloody thirsty genocidal maniac is a ridiculous interpretation

FindThatThing · 27/06/2024 13:22

Comedycook · 27/06/2024 13:18

Probably because many who identify as such ascribe to the idea that Israel should be allowed to annihilate Palestinians and continually take their land and arrest their children and run torture and detention camps

This is really not the case.

All the term Zionist means is that someone supports the state of Israel to exist.

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At what cost?

This is just white washing.

Vittuunterroristit · 27/06/2024 13:21

Custardcream84 · 27/06/2024 13:15

I mean you could start conversations about other communities. There was a 1000
post thread just last week on mumsnet about how people don’t like Muslims with loads of people chiming in as to why they don’t like them. I can hardly imagine any other community being subject to that.

And to be honest a Zionist is a political identity - plenty of people identify as Zionists who are not Jewish and it does imply a political stance. Just like people can’t stand ‘Tories’ or ‘Lefties’ or ‘evangelical Christian right wingers’ or ‘Islamist’s’ they can’t stand ‘Zionists’. Probably because many who identify as such ascribe to the idea that Israel should be allowed to annihilate Palestinians and continually take their land and arrest their children and run torture and detention camps. So it’s pretty understandable that people are going to dislike you if you ascribe to that ideology.

Many? Really? Most Jewish people are zionists, you think most of them want that?

Vittuunterroristit · 27/06/2024 13:19

Scirocco · 27/06/2024 13:11

No form of racism, religiously motivated hate or other forms of hatred should be considered acceptable. I hope that whoever posted that was reported to the relevant social media platform and had their comment removed.

I doubt it, I've seen worse on social media in recent months.

Comedycook · 27/06/2024 13:18

Probably because many who identify as such ascribe to the idea that Israel should be allowed to annihilate Palestinians and continually take their land and arrest their children and run torture and detention camps

This is really not the case.

All the term Zionist means is that someone supports the state of Israel to exist.

Vittuunterroristit · 27/06/2024 13:17

TomeTome · 27/06/2024 13:05

You’re right we don’t usually have a word like that and yet many Jewish people would describe themselves as Jews but not Zionists and of course there are many states that are not recognised by some but are by others. As I said upthread I was simply pointing out that the slang “zio “ was likely to be a shortening of Zionist. As you were.

No one is disputing that zio is short for zionist. Just what zionist really means. But any explanation of what it might actually mean is too long and derailing the thread apparently.

Custardcream84 · 27/06/2024 13:15

jerkorperk · 27/06/2024 07:59

I see countless UK run accounts like this. Hundreds of comments just like this.

Why? It's horrendous. How can we let this be said in Britain without any consequences?

You couldn't start conversations about other communities and not end up reported to the police.

I mean you could start conversations about other communities. There was a 1000
post thread just last week on mumsnet about how people don’t like Muslims with loads of people chiming in as to why they don’t like them. I can hardly imagine any other community being subject to that.

And to be honest a Zionist is a political identity - plenty of people identify as Zionists who are not Jewish and it does imply a political stance. Just like people can’t stand ‘Tories’ or ‘Lefties’ or ‘evangelical Christian right wingers’ or ‘Islamist’s’ they can’t stand ‘Zionists’. Probably because many who identify as such ascribe to the idea that Israel should be allowed to annihilate Palestinians and continually take their land and arrest their children and run torture and detention camps. So it’s pretty understandable that people are going to dislike you if you ascribe to that ideology.